Ameer wrote:

Well, that verse might be talking about the Earth life. It didn't say anything about the hereafter....

Yes, making God as low as his physical creation; contradicting one of the most basic beliefs that He resembles nothing of his creation, is not a contradiction? :doubt:

And can you please tell me the isnad (chain of narrators) for that hadith from Abu Dhar (ra) please?

The Hadith never said that he looks human, it just said that Allah will show himself. And don't you think that us entering Heaven (Inshallah) is a very high blessing from allow upon us?

Also look at this verse:

But only the desire to seek for the Countenance of their Lord Most High;

(92:20)

Well obviously we're going to go to heaven if we have good deeds . I'm just rejecting the hadith for the spect that contradicts the Quran. And yes it does, i've clearly outlined that. Read again, you'll notice. Shoing himself is taking him to the low level of his own creation and we know there's nothing that He resembles of his creation- ever.

And that verse doesn't contribute anything to your side- only the desire of the Most High Lord.

And can you tell me the isnad of that hadith from Abu Dhar (ra) please?

Ok, let me quote it as the Sura this time:

17. But those most devoted to Allah shall be removed far from it,-

18. Those who spend their wealth for increase in self-purification,

19. And have in their minds no favour from anyone for which a reward is expected in return,

20. But only the desire to seek for the Countenance of their Lord Most High;

How about now ?

Ill, try I am looking

Ok, before I start, i'll quote the last part of the "hadith":

Then Allah WILL appear to them in a human form..."

See?


Yes that's all true, although sadly that doesn't say anything about seeing God in human form or anything at all

And Jazak-Allah-Khayr, I appreciate your efforts

Ameer wrote:Ok, before I start, i'll quote the last part of the "hadith":

Then Allah WILL appear to them in a human form..."

See?


Yes that's all true, although sadly that doesn't say anything about seeing God in human form or anything at all

And Jazak-Allah-Khayr, I appreciate your efforts

I don't know : ...maybe you are right Ameer, Allahu Alam...

No problem

Allahu A'lam

Anyway, i'd like to move on to a new topic now: Religious Pluralism.

What do you guys think about it?

Ameer wrote:Allahu A'lam

Anyway, i'd like to move on to a new topic now: Religious Pluralism.

What do you guys think about it?

Why don't you start a new topic ?

No thanks, i'm pertaining to Islam- this is the Islam topic afterall.

But its the -Learn about Islam topic

Ya, I know. That's exactly what I mean- learn about Islam

I'm trying side Islam and Religious Pluralism; what their correlations are and such. Hence we learn more about Islam.


So back to the question: What do you think about Religious Pluralism?

I don't even know what its is

Ameer wrote:Well obviously we're going to go to heaven if we have good deeds . I'm just rejecting the hadith for the spect that contradicts the Quran. And yes it does, i've clearly outlined that. Read again, you'll notice. Shoing himself is taking him to the low level of his own creation and we know there's nothing that He resembles of his creation- ever.

What? Do you really believe that good deeds will get you into heaven?

well good deeds and liveing in a perfect world, cus if you dont help ppl who you know are suffering youll go to hell

Huh wow what religion are you?

i dont remember they all get mixed up into the same thing after a bit

i think he said atheist

no beleave in god in my own way, i dont think he wants us to get so funked up with this religon stich if you know what i mean. god does not want wars fought over him cold or hot

oh i thought we were talking about ameer for some reason

i thought that den denz was asking me because she did not adress it to anyone and it was after my post

Ameer is Muslim.
Pried is...own religion(?)

Lol, well my question got answere either way.

And I agree I don't think God wants us to be caught up with all the religious junk.

I don't think God wants us to be caught up with all the religious junk.

I would have to disagree. The fundamentals of Islam require its followers to literally submit thier will to God Almighty (hence the name Muslim). Now, since this is the Islam topic (yes, I checked above, ) I want to say that for a Muslim, the day to day life and religion are embodied in each other (meaning they are not seperate entities). Religion teaches a Muslim, and the followers of other religions as well, as to how live life.

Now unfortunately, all this talk about secularism has kind of provided an excuse for people to not really follow the religion. As I am sure many Christians would agree as well, religion is limited to going to Mosques on Friday, or to church on Sunday. I believe that religion could not really be separated from one's life.

I am not saying that God would want us to fight unfair wars in His name (cold or hot) but He wouldn't want us to isolate from the teachings of the religion either.

If you believe yet you don't act upon that belief, then you're a hypocrite.

What? Do you really believe that good deeds will get you into heaven?

Umm, duh.

Huh, I believe but I don't believe it is good deeds that get you into heaven, if you are the worlds best person in the context of good deeds but still don't have a realationship with Jesus the I believe that person will be going to hell.

den denz wrote:Huh, I believe but I don't believe it is good deeds that get you into heaven, if you are the worlds best person in the context of good deeds but still don't have a realationship with Jesus the I believe that person will be going to hell.

*Sigh* Jesus(AS) never told you to worship him.