yes there are plenty of animals worse than pigs out there.

No one eats dogs...

Muslims don't eat dogs, rats, roaches, snakes, bears, owls, hippos, lions, cats etc.

Muslims are allowed to eat {Goat,cow, chicken, duck, rabbit, turkey, fish etc.} these are the types of animals that Muslims eat.

Before Islam came pagan Arabs used to eat pigs, they however didn't eat rats or dogs. So when Islam came it made pigs foridable to eat.

Also as Hassan said, Judaism forbids the eating of pigs. Surprisingly, Jesus(AS) never came to cancel Moses's(AS) teachings, rather, he was to continue it.

they eat dogs in china... and quite a few places actuly

Well...I don't know what to say about that...but to Muslims these creatures are not meant to be eaten.

i know someone who tool their dog on holiday in china and when they were at a resturant they asked if they could feed the dog too.. well the waiter took their dog into the back and brought them back their meals, which were very tasty apparently, but then she asked at the end where her dog was and the waiter told her she had just ate it

That's......

Anyways, Steve, Muslims do not eat dogs or any of those animals....

err..OK...but I do not think that someone would be a Muslim. And from what I see, the question is wether Islam allows its followers to eat dirty animals. As already said. the answer is no. While they might eat dogs and such in China, it is a largely non-Muslim nation.

Actually, there was an restaurant taken down in Egypt recently because instead of cows it used donkey meat for it (it's still haram)

Flame, many retsaurants, not one. But you know why? Because peopel don't have the honest no more. Also they were also found selling dogs too!

Astagferallah!

That is not only shameful but also treachery to the customers and hypocrisy with one's belief. Needless to say, highly condemned in Islam.

Well the customers by it as goat or cow etc. but that just goes to show you of the butchers consience.

Hi guys, i'm new to this forum and I made an introductory topic introducing my coming =). I'm Ameer from Sal's Runescape Forums, and Ahmed- along with Sayfullah- may remember me (i've clarified my claim with Ahmed a couple of minutes ago).

Wow, Ahmed, nice info you have there . It seems that you've been giving some neutral info there lately, good wording man.

Hmm, I just read something that there's always one interpretation to the Quran. That, albeit true, does not count for all muslim authors out there. Sometimes it's interpreted according to this hadith and then according to another...or just to suit their own personal ends. We can't deny this; it's a prophecy besides. Jabir ibn Abdullah narrates that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) said:

On the Resurrection Day three entities would complain:-
1. The Quran 2. The Mosque 3. The Progeny

The Quran would say:-
"O' My Lord! They distorted me and tore me into pieces...(this is the main part of the hadith that only needs to be mentioned hereon)




Pertaining to dietary laws, keep in mind that fish without any scales is also forbidden in Islam (this is justified in the hadith). In fact, there is science to support this since it's been proven by close observations that the fish we see with scales tend to roam in the upper part of the sea, thereby staying more clean and healthy to eat. Whilst any fish/life in the sea that has no scales has been surprisingly found to be wandering mostly deep in the sea and the fish is usually contaminated with the toxins and other chemicals that lie deep in the sea, polluting such delicacies and further contaminating the meat slightly on the edge (but still edible, I guess). Either way, it's preferrable- if you require fresh meat from the sea- to consume fish without scales.



Now back to my concerns. I was reading the hadith lately, and I found this saying of the Holy Prophet:

"When God Almighty and Glorious sends His wrath on a nation and does not punish them by it, then; their prices will go up, their lifetimes will shorten, their merchants will not gain profits, their fruits will not be abundant, their streams will not become brimful, their rain will be withheld from them, and their vicious ones will dominate over them."

So what I was thinking was- how do you suggest this can be applicable to our age? Oh and by the way, this hadith is written in the Book of Ali (as).

Is it even possible to have a fish without scales...unless you mean the shark of course...

Also how does the mosque complain?
And I have no idea whats a progeny ...


I heard of the Book of Sayidna Ali (RA) 3 days ago...and from what I heard, the real original book is in a museum in florence, Italy...who heard of this?

Well, sharks, whales (!) and basically sea life in general.

Well, I don't think that's taken literally about the mosque.

Progeny- descendants (used here for the Prophet).


Is that so? Hmm, pretty cool. It may be true. Regardless, this hadith is accepted since it was narrated by the 5th Imam long ago when this precious book never came into the land of Italy. I'm up for the belief that the book is with the Twelvth Imam though . Anyway, I can't speak now, I gotta get going to the live cricket match, I think i'm gonna be late!

Bye for now ^_^

sharks whales and dolphins are mamals arent they?

no sharks are fish and they have scales to! i had to study lemon sharks in the 7th grade for a easy and found that they have micro scales that help the shark swim faster.

Steve wrote:sharks whales and dolphins are mamals arent they?

No only whales and I think dolphins are mammals. Sharks are fish though.

And since Pried sid they have scales...so I don't think its virtually possible to get a fish without scales

I meant sea life in general Ahmed. We obviously have tips when closely observing with a microscope. We mean the proportion and texture of those visible ones. So I don't see where you're getting to .

Ahmed, you forgot about the hadith. What do you think about it?

did you put this together

"When God Almighty and Glorious sends His wrath on a nation and does not punish them by it, then; their prices will go up, their lifetimes will shorten, their merchants will not gain profits, their fruits will not be abundant, their streams will not become brimful, their rain will be withheld from them, and their vicious ones will dominate over them."

So what I was thinking was- how do you suggest this can be applicable to our age? Oh and by the way, this hadith is written in the Book of Ali (as).

This hadith is highly applicable in today's era. Here in the U.S., inflation is an all time high, Ameer. People are suffering from low to no income and, simply, things are tough. Now, I do not want to declare a religious statement that Allah Almighty is punishing this nation, however, there are many signs here, and around the globe, that things are just going down. Allah-o-Alam.

Ameer, there you go, I couldn't say it better than Hassan

And yes Gamal I made this topic

Indeed Hassan, the hadith is pretty Azeem, Subhanallah. I think the rain being withheld probably refers to California...teehee

Oh, that's cool Ahmed. Seems to be a 'positive correlation'.


Of all those who say that there is only scientific wording in the Quran, why exclude the hadith? There's tons of astounding hadiths that perfectly coincide with modern science in such perfect detail that there becomes no doubt at all that Muhammed (pbuh) is indeed a Messenger of God.

Actually, the hadith can apply anywhere. Here in Egypt, Husny Mubarak is pres, rain hasn't come in the month or so I've been here. And everything is going up except profits

Yep, I was only kidding by the way Dark Flame . Just a wrath on any sinning nation, so there it is. Oh, and, does anyone want me to point out the history and historical artefacts that prove the Quran's untimely authenticity? If so then no problem .

I do not believe in any religions, so right now it still seems like this is a kind of fake. To me that is.