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And we are living things, no?

yes but we are an exception no?
we are all physically animals.... but mentally.... a different case
who did allah SWT give a free will... was it not us????

Animals have free will, it can be a part of learning, and its definitely key to survival.

in islam animals are muslims... they have no choice.
but humans do.

In Islam, you're void of any actual science, kthxbai

Yes! Let there be light in the darkness! (why am I saying things metaphorically? )

Fang wrote:In Islam, you're void of any actual science, kthxbai

That's false and stupid to say.

Ahmed IV wrote:

Fang wrote:In Islam, you're void of any actual science, kthxbai

That's false and stupid to say.

Then why do you always deny that humans evolved from monkeys? That's science.

jj16802 wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:

Fang wrote:In Islam, you're void of any actual science, kthxbai

That's false and stupid to say.

Then why do you always deny that humans evolved from monkeys? That's science.

500 years ago science believed that the Earth was the center of the Universe. Now its false. So as you can see, science changes. We only accept logical science (everything besides evolution of humans).

animals cannot be mulsims, there are no rules to determine wether their actions abide by the rules of islam.

Pink Lipz wrote:animals cannot be mulsims, there are no rules to determine wether their actions abide by the rules of islam.

Sir you are wrong.

They testify in the existence of only one God.

"The seven heavens and the earth, and all beings therein, declare His
glory: there is not a thing but celebrates His praise; And yet ye
understand not how they declare His glory! Verily He is Oft-Forbear,
Most Forgiving!"

(17:44 Quran)

Ahmed IV wrote:

Pink Lipz wrote:animals cannot be mulsims, there are no rules to determine wether their actions abide by the rules of islam.

Sir you are wrong.

They testify in the existence of only one God.

"The seven heavens and the earth, and all beings therein, declare His
glory: there is not a thing but celebrates His praise; And yet ye
understand not how they declare His glory! Verily He is Oft-Forbear,
Most Forgiving!"

(17:44 Quran)

i think you will agree that source is bias.

Animals are not as smart as us, religion comes from communication and that is something animals cannot do, therefore they have no religion.

Are all babys muslim by default?

Pink Lipz wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:

Pink Lipz wrote:animals cannot be mulsims, there are no rules to determine wether their actions abide by the rules of islam.

Sir you are wrong.

They testify in the existence of only one God.

"The seven heavens and the earth, and all beings therein, declare His
glory: there is not a thing but celebrates His praise; And yet ye
understand not how they declare His glory! Verily He is Oft-Forbear,
Most Forgiving!"

(17:44 Quran)

i think you will agree that source is bias.

Animals are not as smart as us, religion comes from communication and that is something animals cannot do, therefore they have no religion.

Are all babys muslim by default?

Well look at it this way, God has blessed you with the ability to think etc. yet you defy Him. Sad if you think abou it.

The Prophet Muhammad PBUH said " No babe is born but as a Muslim . It is his parents who make him Jew or Christian or as
Polytheist. " ( Sahih Muslim, Book 033, number 6426 )

In Surat Al-A'raaf, Verses 172-173; Allah explained that when He
created Adam, He caused all of Adam's descendants to come into
existence and took a pledge from them saying, Am I not the Lord? To
they all replied, " Yes, we testify to it".

Ahmed is right.

Ahmed IV wrote:

Pink Lipz wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:

Pink Lipz wrote:animals cannot be mulsims, there are no rules to determine wether their actions abide by the rules of islam.

Sir you are wrong.

They testify in the existence of only one God.

"The seven heavens and the earth, and all beings therein, declare His
glory: there is not a thing but celebrates His praise; And yet ye
understand not how they declare His glory! Verily He is Oft-Forbear,
Most Forgiving!"

(17:44 Quran)

i think you will agree that source is bias.

Animals are not as smart as us, religion comes from communication and that is something animals cannot do, therefore they have no religion.

Are all babys muslim by default?

Well look at it this way, God has blessed you with the ability to think etc. yet you defy Him. Sad if you think abou it.

The Prophet Muhammad PBUH said " No babe is born but as a Muslim . It is his parents who make him Jew or Christian or as
Polytheist. " ( Sahih Muslim, Book 033, number 6426 )

In Surat Al-A'raaf, Verses 172-173; Allah explained that when He
created Adam, He caused all of Adam's descendants to come into
existence and took a pledge from them saying, Am I not the Lord? To
they all replied, " Yes, we testify to it".

Sahih Muslim, Book 033, number 6426 may be correct in stating that a child does not chose his faith, yet i am now an adult now and I chose for myself.

Well ok. We didn't say anything about not choosing your faith

Ahmed IV wrote:

Well look at it this way, God has blessed you with the ability to think etc. yet you defy Him. Sad if you think abou it.

I have the ability to think, it is what makes belief possible. Without non believers belief is nothing. You need a contrast to define something.

Its too bad God didn't bless us with a way to communicate with him or any undeniable proof of his existence.

The only things we have are abstract.

Ahmed IV wrote:The Prophet Muhammad PBUH said " No babe is born but as a Muslim . It is his parents who make him Jew or Christian or as
Polytheist. " ( Sahih Muslim, Book 033, number 6426 )

In Surat Al-A'raaf, Verses 172-173; Allah explained that when He
created Adam, He caused all of Adam's descendants to come into
existence and took a pledge from them saying, Am I not the Lord? To
they all replied, " Yes, we testify to it".

A baby is not so different to an animal, why would a baby who died before he could speak be refused entrance to heaven?

Pink Lipz wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:

Well look at it this way, God has blessed you with the ability to think etc. yet you defy Him. Sad if you think abou it.

I have the ability to think, it is what makes belief possible. Without non believers belief is nothing. You need a contrast to define something.

Its too bad God didn't bless us with a way to communicate with him or any undeniable proof of his existence.

The only things we have are abstract.

There would be no point in our Earth life if we were able to communicate with Him.

Ahmed IV wrote:The Prophet Muhammad PBUH said " No babe is born but as a Muslim . It is his parents who make him Jew or Christian or as
Polytheist. " ( Sahih Muslim, Book 033, number 6426 )

In Surat Al-A'raaf, Verses 172-173; Allah explained that when He
created Adam, He caused all of Adam's descendants to come into
existence and took a pledge from them saying, Am I not the Lord? To
they all replied, " Yes, we testify to it".

A baby is not so different to an animal, why would a baby who died before he could speak be refused entrance to heaven?

Actually a baby who died goes to Heaven in Islam. No matter who their parents were.

so Jews and Christians go to heaven too?

don't fool yourself ahmed, communication is not possible and if it is then it isn't validated.

people say god speaks to them but then people also say ducks speak to them.

Steve, read my post correctly O_O

i do read your posts correctly, which part has confused you ahmed?

Jews at the time of Moses(AS) and Jesus(AS) go to Heaven. Babies of any parents that died go to Heaven too.

"don't fool yourself ahmed, communication is not possible and if it is then it isn't validated."

The Quran and praying is the connection. When you read the Qur'an, God speaks to you. When you pray, you speak to God.

no he doesn't.

its obvious neither of us will give up our views on this so lets move on.

Ahmed IV wrote:The Prophet Muhammad PBUH said " No babe is born but as a Muslim . It is his parents who make him Jew or Christian or as
Polytheist. " ( Sahih Muslim, Book 033, number 6426 )

Ahmed IV wrote:Actually a baby who died goes to Heaven in Islam. No matter who their parents were.

So its like i said, jews and christians go to heaven. Unless you would like to contradict yourself.

About the baby thing, Steve obviously any baby would go to Heavan if they die. They have done nothing wrong in their life. They aren't old enough to commit an type of sin. Clearly, this applies to Christains and Jews too (afterall all babies no matter the religon are the same).
About the communication thing. Why is it always perceived that a huge miracle has to happen inorder for one to believe in God? Thats ridiculous! You should have a strong enough faith to believe in him regardless. Not only that but, maybe if you did have enough faith in God then you will understand all the miracles and amazing events that he has already showed us. If you read the Quran you will see how many miracles God has provided us with. A perfect example is when the moon split. People at the time of the Prophet wanted proof that God existed so God made the moon split right before there eyes as proof , now a days scientists have discovered a line (indents and stuff) that goes all across the middle of the moon from where it split.
I'd also like to add that Ahmed is right when he says Quran and Prayer are perfect ways to communicate with God. In fact the Arabic word for Prayer is Salah which is derived from the word "silah" which means communication. So Salah is a means of communicating to God hence its name. I consider Salah to be a two way communication type of thing, you can talk to God (you know as him for things) and he either replies to your request by providing you with what you want or he can choose not to. Quran on the other hand, is a one way type of communication. Its only God speaking to us, telling and teaching us what to do.

Pink Lipz wrote:no he doesn't.

its obvious neither of us will give up our views on this so lets move on.

Ahmed IV wrote:The Prophet Muhammad PBUH said " No babe is born but as a Muslim . It is his parents who make him Jew or Christian or as
Polytheist. " ( Sahih Muslim, Book 033, number 6426 )

Ahmed IV wrote:Actually a baby who died goes to Heaven in Islam. No matter who their parents were.

So its like i said, jews and christians go to heaven. Unless you would like to contradict yourself.

I see no contradiction. That baby didn't choose to be Christian or Jewish or w/e. A baby has no control over its life. Agree?

Also read Gaz's post she makes good points.