Learn about Islam!

Yeah, but what I am saying is that it doesn't mean Chrisitanity isn't real because we don't understand everything that doesn't give a point to Islam, it just shows that God is a truly awsome God who knows alot more than us. And I really don't think that we know everything about the religion, because as history has shown those that do, do because they have taken a religion and twisted it slightly to suit them and they're understanding.

I didn't say its not real...of course its real and people called Christains practice it

I said that too me and other Msulism it is a religion that got corrupted (sorry if that's offenseful, but thats the straight truth).

Yes, like the Pope for example who "edited" the Bible...that was thought to me in history class

Hmm yeah I agree and we are so not Catholic!!!

Lol, no it's not offending you believe that we changed the story, we believe that you are worshiping a false god, and are going to hell.

So as far as offense goes go all out kiddo, I made this topic so that i'd have a place to say it as it is, and not be all conservetive about offense, in this topic it's alll out.

And if you believe that Islam is the right religion than you do believe that the Christians are wrong and visa versa but thats fine!

you didnt make this topic denz And i dont think ahmed is going to hell, not my place to decide though

-Denz I did tell you, didn't I?

Some people are just not up to talking/debating religions-it makes them flip out like what you did-there is nothing wrong/shameful about that.

Also I could have guessed that by now Denz , let me quote myeslf posts back

Well Denz to be honest, its a two way situation. We also believe that people that don't belive in the 1 true God or add partners (families) with him are also going to hell.

Oh wait yeah wrong topic oh well same principle applies, anyways why don't you believe he is?

I am so up for it I just didn't remember which topic I was in!!!

Anyways, I got to go do some school work, talk more later.

den denz wrote:we believe that you are worshiping a false god, and are going to hell.

Yes, a hell that does not exist and a god that does not exist. And that goes for you too Den.

Me? Huh are you saying I don't exist?? Lol.

What religion are you?

And that's your belief.

And I'm still hungry!

den denz wrote:Me? Huh are you saying I don't exist?? Lol.

What religion are you?

And that's your belief.

And I'm still hungry!

I'm not saying you don't exist, I'm saying your god doesn't exist. Quite a difference I imagine.

I am an athiest, or whatever it is that thinks god is a huge scam.

And I'm hungry too!

Lol I know I need more food!

How do you believe the earth started and how do you think it will end?

den denz wrote:Lol I know I need more food!

How do you believe the earth started and how do you think it will end?

Right now Den your attitude is similar to that of 'I'm better than you', simply because you believe in god.

I believe the earth started through a series of events, where a space rock of some sort began to crash around others. These rocks started sticking to it, and after a few million years, the rock was extremely large. Thus earth was born.

And you can't accurately predict the future. I don't know when or how the earth will end, and I'm happy to admit to it.

Den, how do you think it will?

Sorry if I've come across that way!!

I surly didn't mean to, I recon thats the problem with computer they don't show your facial expression so you can't be read.

Anyways i believe in the second coming of Christ.

And humans whgat do you believe about them?

Are you for the evolution theory?

Geze I do sound up myself, anyways I don't mean to...

I hope I don't talk like that to!

iCheese did you read Hassan's and my reply to you?

iCheese why don't you believe that their is a God?

Just look at nature and life itself-its PERFECT.

The Sun and the moon have perfect timings: you don't see the sun one day taking a break from revolving.

Humans:everything works together in the body

Animals: Look at how they are created and notice that you will never find an animal that can't support itself.

Do you think that all this happened by coincidence? What ultimate coincidence will make all this happen.

If you are talking about the big bang, well it is mentioned in the Quran: {Article}

So iCheese could you explain to me how the normal human being Muhammad (SAW) found the big bang theory out?

*Please don not write the whole post in color next time...it hurts the eyes *

No this is the big bang theory:

*New stars form out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke.

*The big bang theory states that the universe is expanding:

Quran:
"And the "samma", We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it. (The Noble Quran, 51:47)"

Samma means in Arabic heavens or Universe, depending ont he context

*Cosmic Crunch: http://www.bigear.org/vol1no4/wheeler.htm

"The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfil it. (The Noble Quran, 21:104)"

The Cosmic crunch if you took the time to read the article is basically this verse.

SECONDLY, it is important to know that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him had also talked about the "Cosmic Crunch" Theory by predicting that the Sun around the time of the Cosmic Crunch's occurrence would rise from the West and set in the East due to a change in our orbit's rotation. Who knows, perhaps the "Cosmic Crunch" would cause the Earth to flip upside down, which would cause the sun to rise from the West and set in the East, or perhaps it would change the rotation of the sun and its planets all together:

Na Abu Dhar: "The Prophet asked me at sunset, 'Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?' I replied, 'Allah and His Apostle know better.' He said, 'It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: 'And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing.' (36.38) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Beginning of Creation, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421)"

Na Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The Hour will not be established........and till the sun rises from the West. So when the sun will rise and the people will see it (rising from the West) they will all believe (embrace Islam) but that will be the time when: (As Allah said,) 'No good will it do to a soul to believe then, if it believed not before, nor earned good (by deeds of righteousness) through its Faith.' (6.158) And the Hour will be established while two men spreading a garment in front of them but they will not be able to sell it, nor fold it up; and the Hour will be established when a man has milked his she-camel and has taken away the milk but he will not be able to drink it; and the Hour will be established before a man repairing a tank (for his livestock) is able to water (his animals) in it; and the Hour will be established when a person has raised a morsel (of food) to his mouth but will not be able to eat it.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Afflictions and the End of the World, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 237)"

Well, guys, given all the proof provided by Ahmed, and myself, you have to either accept that or challenge it with evidence. Please do not get sidetracked.

can you post more "scientific miricals" ahmed and hassan, in the last one the last 2 paragraphs were predictions, and the rest of it was up for interpretation

Sure:

"And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY LIKE PAINT - (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"

{(More picrures and better explanations}
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All scientists today agree that the Earth is 18 billion years old

In the Quran:

And surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you number.

( 22:47)


^^^It's mean that a Day by Allah is 1000 years in our reckoning in relation with the revolution of the Earth around the Sun ( Gregorian year).

To Him ascend the Angels and the Spirit in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

(70:4)

In this verse of the Sura 'The way of Ascent' ( it is the Way which take the Angels from the Earth to the Heaven after having excecuted the duties necessary for the Life of our Planet and the Kosmos. We can note that Allah doesn't say "fifty thousand years of what you number" because the day in question in this verse is a time measure of a Gods day ( which each day is 1000 years in our reckoning ) and this day is the age of the Universe which all events of our life from heaven to earth ascend to Him.

Let's convert these God's Years in our norms :

50,000 * 365.2422 (days in human year) = 18,262,110 Allah's Days.

One Day by Allah is corresponding 1000 years of our reckoning, therefore the Age of the Universe is :

18,262,110 * 1,000 = 18,262,110,000 years, that's to say that the age of the Universe is around 18, 1/4 Billions years. This number correspond exactly of the above article . After more than 14 centuries, Science and particularly Professor Jean-Claude Batelere of the "College de France" states that it is now a certitude that the Universe is 18 billions years old .

If you like more pelase ask ?

are those last 2 quotes from the same passage?

i dont think that first one really counts

Steve wrote:are those last 2 quotes from the same passage?

i dont think that first one really counts

No they are 2 different things. (Thats why I put a line )

And what do you mean it doesn't count? How could a man 1400 years ago know about explosions in space?!
Also how could he know of their shape?

BTW what did you think of the age of Earth thing?

well if they were from the same passage then it makes sense for them to be refering to allah years in the 50 000 years bit, but its abit of a stretch other wise. impressive though

Steve you are confusing me?

Which two are you talking about?

If you mean the two ones thast relate to Eraths time yes they are from different passages...but that is how the QUran is read. You can't pick verses from the Quran, the Quran must be read the whole as it completes one another

Want more scientific things? If you do just tell

Why do you know the Bible so well?

Its good to know about other religions

Denz I fear I must remind you to stick on topic

Ahmed wrote:

And surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you number.

( 22:47)

To Him ascend the Angels and the Spirit in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

(70:4)

i meant those 2...

the logic of your post made my head spin