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    graffiti.

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    Post by Steve Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:32 pm

    What do you think about it?
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    Post by preid1220 Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:34 pm

    it's a distructive vandilisem
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    Post by Steve Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:50 pm

    so instead they should paint on a canvas like all artists should, only art is an expression of the soul isn't it? why should they have to do it in such a controlled way
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    Post by Ladien Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:16 pm

    If they want to express be an artist and do it on paper or another proper medium, unless you want to risk going to jail for vandalism of public property.
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    Post by Ahmed Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:19 pm

    I live in the birth place of Grafati Cool -(NY)

    On a more serious note, yes I think Grafiti is destructive, as you are ruining property that is not your eyes. I don't care if they vandalize on their houses, but not on other places. And yes I think they shoudl be charged a fee and spend a while in jail.
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    Post by preid1220 Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:50 pm

    :agree: thay can paint up there own property all they want but not others
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    Post by Steve Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:53 pm

    yeah i think when people do really bad graffiti, like some 8 year old writing their name in spray paints, its rubbish. but if i saw somethings like the following 2 pictures when i was walking around it would make my day better.

    graffiti. Sweep_banksy_1031

    http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/6849/0/Banksy_Robot.ashx
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    Post by Ladien Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:07 am

    I bet some in your household wouldn't like it if you vandalized your house. Not many people of are age live alone.

    Vandalism is vandalism no matter how FIERCE it is
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    Post by Ahmed Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:12 am

    I like the drawing vandalism Smile , but it is still drawing on other people's property. If they want to draw it so much why don't they rent a wall from the building owner Razz (nice bussiness ehh...)

    All I see in my neighborhood is just dumb names written on walls....
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    Post by Dark Flame99966 Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:56 pm

    I like artistic graffiti. In fact, I've been trying to make graffiti-like art for tags and LPs
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    Post by Steve Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:33 pm

    well thats what im trying to say, i think if there were more imaginative and interesting pictures lining our streets it would be like living in a golden age of culture, instead of red and grey buildings everywhere.

    im thoroughly against people just doing names in paints
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    Post by Ahmed Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:02 pm

    Steve would you like someone to spray paint a grafiti picture on your BNZ or BMW?
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    Post by Steve Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:21 pm

    a car and a house are compleatly different Razz

    especially those big grey boring office buildings, i dont think theyre meant to be so boring but grey is cheap
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    Post by Ahmed Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:22 pm

    Well I was trying to send the point of "people drawing on your property"...
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    Post by Steve Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:25 pm

    i would clean off things i didnt like and eventually it would be covered in cool stuff Razz
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    Post by Ahmed Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:28 pm

    Sigh. Ok this is the silliest example but here it goes. If you were a building Razz , would you want anyone to draw on you?
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    Post by Steve Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:33 pm

    well i wouldnt want to be identical to hundreds of other buildings Razz
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    Post by Ahmed Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:36 pm

    How about if your owner wants you identical?
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    Post by Steve Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:45 pm

    do you even know where your going with this? Razz
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    Post by Ahmed Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:48 pm

    Umm...no Razz ...Ok let me make my point clear! People don't want their property (houses) being drawn on.
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    Post by Dark Flame99966 Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:49 pm

    I would. Well, it depends on the people
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    Post by Ahmed Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:50 pm

    Well when you are an adult, I do not think you will....
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    Post by Ladien Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:00 am

    Houses are usually adults most prized possessions (other than cars). How would you like it if someone destroyed your most prized possesion?
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    Post by Steve Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:06 am

    well its not like theyre breaking the windows and tearing the walls down, that would be destruction.
    and i hardly ever see graffiti on houses anyway, sure its on walls, schools and shops but not houses.
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    Post by Tilum Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:13 am

    Look here: =>{LINK}

    Banksy, he is a very good, and sometimes political, graphiti artist.

    My personally favourite: =>{LINK}



    In responce to Steve's image on the first page this is what it means:

    <blockquote>
    Well-known UK graffiti artist Banksy hacks the Wall
    Nigel Parry, The Electronic Intifada, 2 September 2005

    graffiti. Segregation-wall-palestine
    The Wall around Qalqiliya. A twenty-five foot high concrete cage cuts
    residents off from their agricultural land, necessary for their
    survival, and prevents you from traveling even 5 minutes out of the
    City. A single gate, open at the whims of the occupying army, controls
    100,000 residents.
    Photo: StopTheWall.org

    Whitewashing the Wall
    In
    June 2003, I received an e-mail in EI’s inbox from a Nathan Edelson,
    who introduced himself as “a design critic whose features on
    architecture have been published in major U.S. newspapers,” which a
    Lexis-Nexis newspaper database supported. He was writing a story “about
    architecture in Israel, with emphasis on the new security ‘fence’ which
    you rightly call a wall.” His request was for larger images of the
    Israel’s West Bank barrier for study, and explained that “the premise
    of my article is that one can argue about the desirability of a wall,
    and certainly where it runs, but if it is going to be built it should
    not be an aesthetic monstrosity.”
    As you can imagine,
    we get a lot of crazy mail at EI, ranging from the fundamentalist who
    has for years been weekly mailing Zen-like one-liners such as “Biblical
    Christianity will one day return to the Holy Land,” to the ex-Israeli
    soldier who sent photos of him in service across the occupied
    territories with accompanying narratives of how much he enjoyed
    mistreating the Palestinians he came across. But somehow, this e-mail
    from internationally-respected design critic Nathan Edelson won my vote
    for the most clueless communication that info@electronicIntifada.net
    has ever received.
    Usually, all correspondents to EI
    receive a polite response with links to more information. But when a
    clearly educated person tries to get you to swallow soup with a turd in
    it, there’s got to be a cut-off point for pleasantries.
    “That's
    a little,” I replied, “like arguing for nice faux painting on gas
    chamber walls or calling for Martha Stewart torture chamber bed sets.
    Clearly ethics play no part in your school of design criticism.”
    Edelson’s
    reply was truly surreal. “I could accuse you of having no ethics
    because you want the security wall to be as repulsive as possible so it
    will stir up the maximum possible resentment, which will translate into
    more violence.”
    “I care very much about where the
    security wall runs,” he continued, “as well as how it looks. My
    upcoming article will hopefully elicit meaningful conversation between
    the sides based on a joint desire to make a bad thing better, and this
    can help create the trust which can change not only the look but the
    routing of the barrier.”
    Of course, the second the
    beautification of the barrier is complete, the Israelis, who bulldozed
    and confiscated countless acres of Palestinian land to build the wall,
    cut off thousands of farmers from their sole livelihood and, in one
    example, surrounded a single Palestinian family home in a mini-wall,
    will sit down for a meaningful conversation with their new Palestinian
    friends about the route of the finished barrier! I was also chastised
    by Edelson for being less than “civil” in my response to him.
    “There
    is nothing you can do aesthetically,” I wrote in my reply to Edelson,
    “which will make this wall benign. There is no making it ‘better’. Want
    a big picture of the wall? Here's one attached. Do you think a nice
    mottled green would help it blend in to the indigenous landscape
    nicely? Or perhaps some arches and battlements for a more traditional
    medieval flavor?”
    graffiti. Qalqsat-wall-ariel-view
    This
    satellite image of Qalqilya and Israel's West Bank Barrier surrounding
    the city was taken on 7 June 2003. The progress of construction of the
    barrier can clearly be seen, ultimately cutting off residents from
    their surrounding agricultural land. See here for before & after images. (Photo: Space Imaging/NTA Space Turk)
    “If
    you actually intend to actually write an article arguing for this
    monstrous whitewashing of a visible human rights violation -- and it
    says so much about the state of ignorance in America that you are even
    thinking of it or if indeed there is any likelihood any serious
    newspaper would print it -- I would suggest you first get on a plane
    and go visit Qalqiliya and Rafah and see the reality for yourself.
    Speak to the people who live there. See how the thing plays out on the
    ground.”

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