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Den-Denz, I have no problem reading what so over proof you have. Just write it down and then I will (Insha Allah) comment.
Pried, are you sayingthat rotting in Hell is forgiveness?
Pried, are you sayingthat rotting in Hell is forgiveness?
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well when time come to a and the merson might be juged not worth to go to heavean and god will then take them but some people like hitler will stay in hell mostlikley because of what they have done
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But Pried, forgivness means that the person then goes to Heaven..
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can "CAN" forgive them not will
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preid1220 wrote:can "CAN" forgive them not will
I thought in Christianity, if you just believe in Jesus you go to Heaven?
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not if you commit mortal sin and you must be a good person, an evil coperation owner who slaters tribes in africa to feed his own greed may beleave in Jesus buy because of his deeds he will most likeley go to hell
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Hmm? :doubt: . . .And who are you Pried to decide which sins gets forgiven and which not?
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Trinity, godhead of Jesus,sonship of Jesus is really the "Trinity" of Christianity rebuffing one another in conceptual beliefs.
When the Trinity is proven that it doesn't fit into "one god" and thus makes no sense, the only answer is that it's a "mystery" so we blindly believe it even though it's been proven false and literally unbelievable. Right.
When the Trinity is proven that it doesn't fit into "one god" and thus makes no sense, the only answer is that it's a "mystery" so we blindly believe it even though it's been proven false and literally unbelievable. Right.
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It has been proven false by the human understanding.
Um, pried someone really needs to talk to you, Paul killed people and prosecuted Jesus people but after forgivness and salvation he was saved are you saying Paul went to hell?
Um, pried someone really needs to talk to you, Paul killed people and prosecuted Jesus people but after forgivness and salvation he was saved are you saying Paul went to hell?
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"Human understading"-Denz its so simple yet you make it so hard. It doesn't make sense-because its false.
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Hmm, but without the one God being a trinity you wouldn't be able to have the Holy Spirit within you.
Anyways I think this particular aspect comes down to opinion more than fact.
Anyways I think this particular aspect comes down to opinion more than fact.
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If the Holy Spirit is with me and another entity is somewhere else then that makes two gods and not one; nay, it makes three considering Jesus being the son and all.
Trinity is plain conjecture which never will fit deluding ourselves saying "we'll understand it in heaven" which contradicts the opinion of Trinity being beyond human understanding. At least the concept of infinity (God being infinite) has a ground base; whereas Trinity has no ground base at all with this god and that god being in different places and not making them one at all.
Trinity is plain conjecture which never will fit deluding ourselves saying "we'll understand it in heaven" which contradicts the opinion of Trinity being beyond human understanding. At least the concept of infinity (God being infinite) has a ground base; whereas Trinity has no ground base at all with this god and that god being in different places and not making them one at all.
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den denz wrote:Hmm, but without the one God being a trinity you wouldn't be able to have the Holy Spirit within you.
Anyways I think this particular aspect comes down to opinion more than fact.
You just said that Christainity is all just an opinion...
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And another thing, the phrase "And the word was with god, and the word was god" contradicts even in its essence. So the 'Word' was with god; but the word is god? :doubt:
Denz, stop deluding yourself since you know in your heart trinity is pointing to three gods and not one at all. I'm going to summarize my previous post and this one with Quranic verses:
"Certainly have blasphemed those who say: 'Surely God, He is the Messiah, son of Mary'; and the Messiah said: 'O Children of Israel! Worship ye God, my Lord and your Lord, surely whoever associateth (anything) with God, then God forbiddeth to him the garden and his abode shall be the fire; and there shall not be for the unjust any helpers'.
Surely have blasphemed those who say: 'Surely God is the third of the three', and there is no God but the One God; and if they desist not from what they say, a grievous torment shall meet those who disbelieve." ~Holy Quran Sura 5 Al-Ma'idah verses 72-73
Denz, stop deluding yourself since you know in your heart trinity is pointing to three gods and not one at all. I'm going to summarize my previous post and this one with Quranic verses:
"Certainly have blasphemed those who say: 'Surely God, He is the Messiah, son of Mary'; and the Messiah said: 'O Children of Israel! Worship ye God, my Lord and your Lord, surely whoever associateth (anything) with God, then God forbiddeth to him the garden and his abode shall be the fire; and there shall not be for the unjust any helpers'.
Surely have blasphemed those who say: 'Surely God is the third of the three', and there is no God but the One God; and if they desist not from what they say, a grievous torment shall meet those who disbelieve." ~Holy Quran Sura 5 Al-Ma'idah verses 72-73
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Hey, this iss a debate not a place to push your own religion, no one has but it is heading that way,
Why do muslims know the Bible better than I do?
Why do muslims know the Bible better than I do?
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Maybe because you never looked in the Bible...
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OH....,
Humph
Pfft
Geze
Bloody bluey.
(haha you don't understand Aussie slang)
Humph
Pfft
Geze
Bloody bluey.
(haha you don't understand Aussie slang)
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I think Aussia slang is funny 
Lets not get off-topic now
Lets not get off-topic now
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What's a bluey?
Not off topic different aspect..
Not off topic different aspect..
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I don't know...you said "Bluey" not me 
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Also I don't suppose that Aussia slang is an aspect of Christainity
:Also I don't suppose that Aussia slang is an aspect of Christainity
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Lol yeah, I said bluey cause I knew you wouldn't know what it meant, it means red head.
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Im not a red head
(I have Brown hair
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Once again PLEASE let's not get off-topic
(I have Brown hair
)Once again PLEASE let's not get off-topic
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I know but I knew that you didn't know what it meant.
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http://www.kisol.com/Divinity/holytrinity.htm
i think this is kinda what denz is trying to say...
i think this is kinda what denz is trying to say...
The Holy Trinity refers to the
three natures of God: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
This does not however mean that there are three Gods. There is only one
God manifesting in three forms.
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Steve wrote:http://www.kisol.com/Divinity/holytrinity.htm
i think this is kinda what denz is trying to say...
The Holy Trinity refers to the
three natures of God: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
This does not however mean that there are three Gods. There is only one
God manifesting in three forms.
I understood, but as I said, according to this then Jesus was praying to himself.