Phoenix Rider wrote:Responding to Hassan. Wat u fail to understand is that despite America's mistakes in history, they have shown also their ability to bring security and peace to the world.

Let me remind u that the U.S reversed policies within their constitution that otherwise might be regarded undemocratic. They reversed slavery after fighting their own people to protect the freedom of others. They gave women and people from other races equal rights. (Martin Luther King)

AS for their actions around the world. Need I remind u of their actions in the 2 world wars. Because they acted, Hitler and japan were incapable of global conquest.

Their actions in Korea, Vietnam and Cuba, only shows their commitment in preserving democracy against tyrannies like communism. In Gulf war 1, the U.S drove back Saddam from conquering Arabia.

In conclusion, despite their downfalls as a nation they also have their share of triumphs as a ally and friend to democracy.

Grimmjow wrote:thats not 24 some are repeated

K, Ahmed, regarding slavery in the U.S. at least they sorted it out right? I would rather a man point out his mistakes and fixed them than remain ignorant and NOT fixed the. The primary objectives of the civil war is debatable but the facts are straight, they did good in the end by abolishing slavery. I fell no reason to continue to pin them down on that.

Now as for WW1 and WW2. No Ahmed, they had no intention to war in the first place but circumstances for them to do the opposite. In WW1 the Germans sank a British liner containing 128 Americans. President Woodrow Wilson repeatedly stated that he will not go to war. But after several sabotages and attacks on the U.S (The Black Tom attack in New Jersey and the the kingsland Explosion) they were forced to act.
Now for WW2. Again in the beginning of the war they had no intention to fight. After Pearl Harbour in 1941, they declared war on the Axis powers in self defence. The Axis were very strong at that time and this was shown when Japan managed to overwhelm U.S forces stationed in Manila and take the entire East Asian Region. In fact, the tide only turned after the U.S declared war on Germany so it's unfair to state that the U.S jumped onboard when the fight was at a close. Hell, Britain's forces were stuck on defensive stance because of the Blitz and Hitler's men planning Operation Sealion. (a full ground and air offensive to attack Britain)
In conclusion, the U.S had no intention to fight in the first place. Back then, they adopted the policy of isolation. They had no allies and refused to take part in Global Affairs. They learned from this mistake and learned that their military power should be used to defend Democracy and not remain silent in times of crisis.

Now for the Korean War. In a pre dawn surprise attack on the morning on June 25, 1950, Communist North Korean forces attacked South Korea whilst crossing the 38th Parallel border line with support from heavy artillery. On June 27, when it was clear the the Democratic South was incapable to defend itself, President Truman of the U.S ordered the U.S Navy and Airforce to come to the aid of the South. Shortly afterwards, the UN Security council issued issued the American-sponsored United Nations Security Council Resolution 83 which "recommends" for states to assist the "Republic of Korea".

Don't you know that the UN is non-directly in control of the UN?

Need I remind u guys that the Democratic forces were outnumbered by Forces from North Korea, The Soviet Union and The People's Republic of China. Despite this, a total of 16 countries (The U.S, Australia, The Philippines, Canada, Belgium, Colombia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Thailand, South Africa, Turkey and The United Kingdom) provided military forces whist Japan provided military assistance via navy backing and repairs. Also India, Italy, Denmark, Norway and Sweden provided medical support.

How can u say that the Korean War was a mistake? A combined effort by democratic countries under the United Nations cannot be a mistake. A quick and decisive action to defend a sovereign democratic country cannot be that bad? It cannot be a mistake can it?

K, Ahmed, regarding slavery in the U.S. at least they sorted it out right? I would rather a man point out his mistakes and fixed them than remain ignorant and NOT fixed the. The primary objectives of the civil war is debatable but the facts are straight, they did good in the end by abolishing slavery. I fell no reason to continue to pin them down on that.

Now for the Korean War. In a pre dawn surprise attack on the morning on June 25, 1950, Communist North Korean forces attacked South Korea whilst crossing the 38th Parallel border line with support from heavy artillery. On June 27, when it was clear the the Democratic South was incapable to defend itself, President Truman of the U.S ordered the U.S Navy and Airforce to come to the aid of the South. Shortly afterwards, the UN Security council issued issued the American-sponsored United Nations Security Council Resolution 83 which "recommends" for states to assist the "Republic of Korea".

Need I remind u guys that the Democratic forces were outnumbered by Forces from North Korea, The Soviet Union and The People's Republic of China. Despite this, a total of 16 countries (The U.S, Australia, The Philippines, Canada, Belgium, Colombia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Thailand, South Africa, Turkey and The United Kingdom) provided military forces whist Japan provided military assistance via navy backing and repairs. Also India, Italy, Denmark, Norway and Sweden provided medical support.

How can u say that the Korean War was a mistake? A combined effort by democratic countries under the United Nations cannot be a mistake. A quick and decisive action to defend a sovereign democratic country cannot be that bad? It cannot be a mistake can it?

'A combined effort by democratic countries under the UN cannnot be a mistake?'

Phoenix Rider wrote:Yes South Korea flourishes now as a democratic state am I correct? Compare this to the North Ahmad and Hassan. The North suffers from famine, oppression and disease whilst South Korea is a first world country with everything a man could wish for.

Surely the action to defend a nation against tyranny cannot be butting in! If your neighbours house burns then surely u must help? Surely u will think about the safety of your friends and not think that they are butting it?

THINK BEFORE U SPEAK!

Anyway, Im now going into the Cuban Missile Crisis. The crisis started in the heart of the Cold War after U.S spy planes photographed missile bases in Cuba in October 15 1962. These missiles apparently had NUCLEAR capabilities. President Kennedy, instead of choosing to Cuba instead chose to have a naval blockade on the island. A wise choice instead of war don't u think?

In the end, the U.S agreed to remove it's missiles along the Soviet border in Turkey in exchange of the Soviets removing the missiles in Cuba. a fair deal don't u think? I see many of u guys come from Pakistan am I correct? If u guys found out one day that India has Nuclear missles pointed at u, wat will U do?

The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of the United States over the span of the past century:

Argentina-1890-Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business interests.

Chile-1891- Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels.

Haiti-1891-American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island.

Hawaii-1893-Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom-Hawaii annexed by the United States.

Nicaragua-1894-Troops occupied Bluefields, a city on the Caribbean Sea, for a month.

China-1894-95-Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-Japanese War.

Korea-1894-96-Troops kept in Seoul during the war.

Panama-1895-Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of Corinto.

China-1894-1900-Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion.

Philippines-1898-1910-Navy and Army troops landed after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed.

Cuba-1898-1902-Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War; the United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.

Puerto Rico-1898-present-Troops seized Puerto Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today.

Nicaragua-1898-Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur.

Samoa-1899-Troops landed as a result over the battle for succession to the throne.

Panama-1901-14-Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when construction for the canal began.

Honduras-1903-Marines landed to intervene during a revolution.

Dominican Rep-1903-04-Troops landed to protect American interests during a revolution.

Korea-1904-05-Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War.

Cuba-1906-09-Troops landed during an election.

Nicaragua-1907-Troops landed and a protectorate was set up.

Honduras-1907-Marines landed during Honduras' war with Nicaragua.

Panama-1908-Marines sent in during Panama's election.

Nicaragua-1910-Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and Corinto.

Honduras-1911-Troops sent in to protect American interests during Honduras' civil war.

China-1911-41-Navy and troops sent to China during continuous flare-ups.

Cuba-1912-Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana.

Panama-1912-Marines landed during Panama's election.

Honduras-1912-Troops sent in to protect American interests.

Nicaragua-1912-33-Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war.

Mexico-1913-Navy evacuated Americans during revolution.

Dominican Rep-1914-Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo.

Mexico-1914-18-Navy and troops sent in to intervene against nationalists.

Haiti-1914-34-Troops occupied Haiti after a revolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years.

Dominican Rep-1916-24-Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for eight years.

Cuba-1917-33-Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years; Cuba became an economic protectorate.

World War I-1917-18-Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the Axis powers.

Russia-1918-22-Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five

landings.

Honduras-1919-Marines sent during Honduras' national elections.

Guatemala-1920-Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a union strike.

Turkey-1922-Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna.

China-1922-27-Navy and Army troops deployed during a nationalist revolt.

Honduras-1924-25-Troops landed twice during a national election.

Panama-1925-Troops sent in to put down a general strike.

China-1927-34-Marines sent in and stationed for seven years throughout China.

El Salvador-1932-Naval warships deployed during the FMLN revolt under Marti.

World War II-1941-45-Military fought the Axis powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy.

Yugoslavia-1946-Navy deployed off the coast of Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American

plane.

Uruguay-1947-Bombers deployed as a show of military force.

Greece-1947-49-United States operations insured a victory for the far right in national "elections."

Germany-1948-Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days.

Philippines-1948-54-The CIA directed a civil war against the Filipino Huk revolt.

Puerto Rico-1950-Military helped crush an independence rebellion in Ponce.

Korean War-1951-53-Military sent in during the war.

Iran-1953-The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power.

Vietnam-1954-The United States offered weapons to the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh.

Guatemala-1954-The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas

in power.

Egypt-1956-Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.

Lebanon-1958-Navy supported an Army occupation of Lebanon during its civil war.

Panama-1958-Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone.

Vietnam-1950s-75-Vietnam War.

Cuba-1961-The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow the Castro government.

Cuba-1962-The Navy quarantines Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Laos-1962-Military occupied Laos during its civil war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.

Panama-1964-Troops sent in and Panamanians shot while protesting the United States presence in the

Canal Zone.

Indonesia-1965-The CIA orchestrated a military coup.

Dominican Rep-1965-66-Troops deployed during a national election.

Guatemala-1966-67-Green Berets sent in.

Cambodia-1969-75-Military sent in after the Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.

Oman-1970-Marines landed to direct a possible invasion into Iran.

Laos-1971-75-Americans carpet-bomb the countryside during Laos' civil war.

Chile-1973-The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende who had been popularly elected. The

CIA helped to establish a military regime under General Pinochet.

Cambodia-1975-Twenty-eight Americans killed in an effort to retrieve the crew of the Mayaquez, which had been seized.

Angola-1976-92-The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against Marxist Angola.

Iran-1980-Americans aborted a rescue attempt to liberate 52 hostages seized in the Teheran embassy.

Libya-1981-American fighters shoot down two Libyan fighters.

El Salvador-198-92-The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN.

Nicaragua-1981-90-The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against the Sandinistas.

Lebanon-1982-84-Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American

barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the Mediterranean.

Honduras-1983-89-Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border.

Grenada-1983-84-American invasion overthrew the Maurice Bishop government.

Iran-1984-American fighters shot down two Iranian planes over the Persian Gulf.

Libya-1986-American fighters hit targets in and around the capital city of Tripoli.

Bolivia-1986-The Army assisted government troops on raids of cocaine areas.

Iran-1987-88-The United States intervened on the side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.

Libya-1989-Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.

Virgin Islands-1989-Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island peoples.

Philippines-1989-Air Force provided air cover for government during coup.

Panama-1989-90-27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama

civilians were killed.

Liberia-1990-Troops entered Liberia to evacuate foreigners during civil war.

Saudi Arabia-1990-91-American troops sent to Saudi Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against

Iraq.

Kuwait-1991-Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back Saddam Hussein.

Somalia-1992-94-Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.

Bosnia-1993-95-Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia.

Haiti-1994-96-American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.

Zaire-1996-97-Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution

began.

Albania-1997-Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.

Sudan-1998-American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas

components were manufactured.

Afghanistan-1998-Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.

Yugoslavia-1999-Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with

NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.

Iraq-1998-2001-Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets

enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998.

Iraq 2003-2008-American troops invaded and occupised Iraq, killing many Iraqis, which now reached 1 million Iraqi deaths

preid1220 wrote:ahmed if you were able to save 1000 people by killing 100 would you? if you could stop ww3 but needed to kill every person in iraq to do it would you? thoes are all examples of doing evil to protect a greater good

preid1220 wrote:in a way yes, it's the same consept. poe if you invented a time machean and wre able to go back in time and kill hitler would you? by killing that 1 person you can save so many and stop ww2. we ARE animals and sometimes we need to be reminded of that. Cuba had a reason to atack us. my gand father worker with the nations sucurity back then and my father tells me he would disapear for weeks on end only to show up and say it was only a train excersize. what do you think was hapening