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Wow. You think that we should be as ignorant as possible and ally with everyone that gains power just because they did it in a democratic way?El Qahira wrote:Well to be accurate, it's only the West, especially the USA, that fights over oil. It rapes other countries of their wealth with the excuse of democracy, which it of course doesn't support at all (look at US support for the military coup of the first democratically elected Egyptian president).
Don't flame. No personal attacks, talk about the subject itself.Ace wrote:You're being a moron and assuming so many things. I don't get any information from the government because I don't give a damn about them. They're just a bunch of grown men that act like five year olds.
The US has never had a "horrible history of tyranny of the world". They dropped the ball on the Mid East and Hawaii, and that's it. You spread just as much propaganda as the media you oppose so much.
Nobody cares about Latin America, all they do is win FIFA cups and export cocaine!El Qahira wrote:Don't flame. No personal attacks, talk about the subject itself.Ace wrote:You're being a moron and assuming so many things. I don't get any information from the government because I don't give a damn about them. They're just a bunch of grown men that act like five year olds.
The US has never had a "horrible history of tyranny of the world". They dropped the ball on the Mid East and Hawaii, and that's it. You spread just as much propaganda as the media you oppose so much.
That was a rebuttal to your comment on him being ignorant, not flaming.
Here you go man: http://www.yachana.org/teaching/resources/interventions.html
I hope you learn something.
Mind you, this is only Latin America. But I hope you get the point.
Look at it this way...a foreign country sends their marines to US shores. Could you imagine that happening? No, because that is an act of war and disrespect for that nation.No but seriously, I don't see how some of those are horrible in any way. Nicaragua, 1899 - Marines land at port of Bluefields
They have a right to do it, just like we have a right to nail them with missiles in response.El Qahira wrote:Look at it this way...a foreign country sends their marines to US shores. Could you imagine that happening? No, because that is an act of war and disrespect for that nation.No but seriously, I don't see how some of those are horrible in any way. Nicaragua, 1899 - Marines land at port of Bluefields
Cool, so are you cool with other foreign countries intervening in US business?
Isn't this the very definition of bullying/tyranny? The US does it to countries that it knows won't be able to retaliate due to being weaker. The US wouldn't dare to it to a powerful country like the UK, France or China.Ace wrote:we could quickly annihilate the marines with air power, which the other countries could not do to the USA because airplanes weren't effective machines yet.
That's not what I meant. The USA didn't have airplanes either. We just put marines there, just cuz. Nicaragua technically could've done that right back.El Qahira wrote:Isn't this the very definition of bullying/tyranny? The US does it to countries that it knows won't be able to retaliate due to being weaker. The US wouldn't dare to it to a powerful country like the UK, France or China.Ace wrote:we could quickly annihilate the marines with air power, which the other countries could not do to the USA because airplanes weren't effective machines yet.
Back then, a boatload of gunmen easily could've landed on US shores. All you needed was enough food and strong enough men and ship to survive the journey. I'm sure they had that much.El Qahira wrote:No, you are very very wrong. Nicaragua could not have done that back.
I'm not sure if you are aware of how the power dynamics are in the world.
Also, hypothetically is the US was on bad terms with them, it wouldn't do it.
Undeniably, the debt has crippled US tyranny a bit. But not by much.
That's not true. Either you are severally underestimating US power in the 1800s or you are overestimating Latin American rebel powers at the time.Ace wrote:Back then, a boatload of gunmen easily could've landed on US shores. All you needed was enough food and strong enough men and ship to survive the journey. I'm sure they had that much.El Qahira wrote:No, you are very very wrong. Nicaragua could not have done that back.
I'm not sure if you are aware of how the power dynamics are in the world.
Also, hypothetically is the US was on bad terms with them, it wouldn't do it.
Undeniably, the debt has crippled US tyranny a bit. But not by much.
We probably wouldn't invade simply because of the current gov mentality. Half of it is just PR stunts. Presidents and others in power just say, I'll do this, without an explanation as to how or why or most importantly when it'll happen. They don't really do anything tbh.
Little bit of both, probably. HS History courses tend to completely ignore Latin America, Africa, and Australia, and a real history course for me comes next semester.El Qahira wrote:That's not true. Either you are severally underestimating US power in the 1800s or you are overestimating Latin American rebel powers at the time.Ace wrote:Back then, a boatload of gunmen easily could've landed on US shores. All you needed was enough food and strong enough men and ship to survive the journey. I'm sure they had that much.El Qahira wrote:No, you are very very wrong. Nicaragua could not have done that back.
I'm not sure if you are aware of how the power dynamics are in the world.
Also, hypothetically is the US was on bad terms with them, it wouldn't do it.
Undeniably, the debt has crippled US tyranny a bit. But not by much.
We probably wouldn't invade simply because of the current gov mentality. Half of it is just PR stunts. Presidents and others in power just say, I'll do this, without an explanation as to how or why or most importantly when it'll happen. They don't really do anything tbh.
I'm just gonna leave the thread after this.Ace wrote:You spread just as much propaganda as the media you oppose so much.
Conspiracy? I linked you. Grab a history book and check after it.Craig wrote:I'm just gonna leave the thread after this.Ace wrote:You spread just as much propaganda as the media you oppose so much.
edit: you also are spitting out as much stuff as my conspiracy theorist father.
no disrespect tho.
You could, but on a ethical level that's evil. Kind of like you could make a man stop arguing in 2 ways.Placids wrote:Could you argue the fact that with these tyranny comes stabilization of these regions?
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