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1It came O.O Empty It came O.O Tue May 25, 2010 5:38 pm

Ahmed

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i have been waiting for this book for AGES. it came in the post today OMG!

"The Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx. no i am not a communist but i want to see how communist think.

Just the first page made me flip from excitement:

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.
Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary re-constitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It ... has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment” ... for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation ... Constant revolutionizing of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones ... All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses, his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

The essential condition for the existence and rule of the bourgeois class is the accumulation of wealth in private hands, the formation and increase of capital; the essential condition of capital is wage-labor. Wage-labor rests entirely on the competition among the workers.

ill be reading it whenever i can Very Happy !!

It came O.O Karl_Marx

2It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Tue May 25, 2010 9:25 pm

preid1220

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communist Muslims? it's the end of the world! /sarcasm.

3It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Tue May 25, 2010 9:26 pm

Ahmed

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im just reading about the ideas fool! Rolling Eyes

4It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Tue May 25, 2010 9:27 pm

preid1220

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that's what the /sarcasm is for =P

5It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Tue May 25, 2010 9:27 pm

Ahmed

Ahmed
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:boys: Rolling Eyes

6It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Tue May 25, 2010 9:31 pm

preid1220

preid1220
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girls Rolling Eyes

7It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Tue May 25, 2010 9:37 pm

jj16802

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preid1220 wrote:girls Rolling Eyes

8It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Tue May 25, 2010 10:16 pm

Dark Flame99966

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I'm a Communist Muslim. Send me the book Ahmed.

9It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 3:45 am

The Banker

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Huh?? I don’t read stupid communist books

10It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 7:31 am

Ahmed

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they aren't stupid ahmed. they are quite intriguinging actually :S

flame your library might have one..or come here to England and ill let you borrow it lol Razz

11It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 3:31 pm

Doc

Doc
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communism is stupid .. it might work in lala land but not in the real world

12It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 4:28 pm

Dark Flame99966

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Communism is better than democracy Smile

13It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 4:39 pm

Doc

Doc
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no its not .. but both are pretty stupid

14It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 5:18 pm

Dark Flame99966

Dark Flame99966
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So which political system do you support?

15It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 5:31 pm

Doc

Doc
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my own

16It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 5:47 pm

preid1220

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communism and democracy share similar roots, i find it could be useful to adapt both systems to incorporate ideas of the other in order to build a working plan.

17It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 5:49 pm

Ahmed

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communism is evilll O.O

18It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 5:51 pm

preid1220

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Marwa wrote:communism is evilll O.O

current communist governments are evil, but communism is just a concept made in order to better peoples lives, to say it is evil is like me saying Islam is evil.

19It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 6:05 pm

Doc

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preid1220 wrote:
Marwa wrote:communism is evilll O.O

current communist governments are evil, but communism is just a concept made in order to better peoples lives, to say it is evil is like me saying Islam is evil.

do you always have to pull that card?

a better example would be that christiantity is evil, since the rejection of christianity is what brought genocide upon the native americans

20It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 7:50 pm

Ace

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Alamgir wrote:
preid1220 wrote:
Marwa wrote:communism is evilll O.O

current communist governments are evil, but communism is just a concept made in order to better peoples lives, to say it is evil is like me saying Islam is evil.

do you always have to pull that card?

a better example would be that christiantity is evil, since the rejection of christianity is what brought genocide upon the native americans

It's not like Islamic religion has ever sparked war. It came O.O 798637

No form of communism is good. The original communism says that everyone is payed equally. Should a brain surgeon who's constantly pressured by everyone around get payed the same as an apartment janitor?

21It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 7:52 pm

Doc

Doc
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Ace wrote:
Alamgir wrote:
preid1220 wrote:
Marwa wrote:communism is evilll O.O

current communist governments are evil, but communism is just a concept made in order to better peoples lives, to say it is evil is like me saying Islam is evil.

do you always have to pull that card?

a better example would be that christiantity is evil, since the rejection of christianity is what brought genocide upon the native americans

It's not like Islamic religion has ever sparked war. It came O.O 798637

No form of communism is good. The original communism says that everyone is payed equally. Should a brain surgeon who's constantly pressured by everyone around get payed the same as an apartment janitor?

that's not the point, he brought religion in when he had no business doing so ... this is about communism, not religion so it is my job to dispel his propaganda

22It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 7:59 pm

The Banker

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Stay on topic guys.

23It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 8:42 pm

jj16802

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preid1220 wrote:communism and democracy share similar roots, i find it could be useful to adapt both systems to incorporate ideas of the other in order to build a working plan.
So you support China's government?

24It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 9:50 pm

Fangy

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I support Communism.

25It came O.O Empty Re: It came O.O Wed May 26, 2010 9:58 pm

Doc

Doc
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Fang wrote:I support Communism.

i hope u mean the idea ...

those fugly fat white conservative inbreds would incarcerate you if you said that like 50 years ago ..

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