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    Benazir Bhutto Dead.

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    Post by Doc Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:50 pm

    I garuntee all of these Western nations were screaming "al-Qaeda" right after this happened ....
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    Post by Dark Flame99966 Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:42 pm

    Lol at Sultan's post.
    I bet that bomb was to make sure that she died just in case a bullet wouldn't do the trick
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    Post by Doc Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:26 pm

    Busharraf is probably behind this .... and I'm suprised Hassan hasn't replied to this yet ....
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    Post by Ahmed Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:24 pm

    Indeed he is like Paki patriot man Razz , anyways do any of you think that she got what she deserved?
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    Post by Hassan Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:05 pm

    ".If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind." (Surah Al-Maaida 5:32).

    Assalam o Aliakum everybody.

    I hope everyone is well. You would have probably already heard about the incident in Pakistan; The murder of ex-prime minister Benazir Bhutto. The legacy of this woman is quite great (regardless of wether or not you support her). She is the first woman Prime Minister of Pakistan and of any Muslim country. She has the support of a great number of Pakistanis, and her party is the second most successful in Pakistan, currently.

    However, she, as everyone of us eventually will, has left this mortal world. She was murdered, (some say martyred) after delivering a speech to her re-election rally. After escaping death twice, she has now left Pakistan in a huge chaos.

    The question I impose is, in the light of the above ayah from the Holy Quran, the person who assasinated could be a Muslim? Is this allowed in Islam, regardless of the victim?

    Please respond....
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    Post by Doc Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:45 am

    Hassan wrote:".If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind." (Surah Al-Maaida 5:32).

    Assalam o Aliakum everybody.

    Please respond....

    Wa Alaykumus Salaam,

    I hope everyone is well. You would have probably already heard about the incident in Pakistan; The murder of ex-prime minister Benazir Bhutto. The legacy of this woman is quite great (regardless of wether or not you support her). She is the first woman Prime Minister of Pakistan and of any Muslim country. She has the support of a great number of Pakistanis, and her party is the second most successful in Pakistan, currently.

    However, she, as everyone of us eventually will, has left this mortal world. She was murdered, (some say martyred) after delivering a speech to her re-election rally. After escaping death twice, she has now left Pakistan in a huge chaos.

    Agreed ...

    The question I impose is, in the light of the above ayah from the Holy Quran, the person who assasinated could be a Muslim? Is this allowed in Islam, regardless of the victim?

    I'm pretty sure that murder takes one out of the fold of Islam, but I'm not sure ... Allah knows best brother ....

    And I have a pretty good feel that Musharraf is behind all of this ....
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    Post by Metalgoose30 Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:20 am

    I hope this doesnt make the war in Iraq worse. :x
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    Post by Ahmed Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:56 am

    Metal this has to do with Pakistan not Iraq Razz !

    Anyways, Salimualikum Hassan

    The first part I agree with and about your question, well yes under certain conditions you are allowed to kill, an example in the Quran is in Surat AL-Kahf(The Cave) when Sayidna Musa(A.S.)(Mosses) was walking with a person that Allah has given him knowledge, here it is.

    74. Then they proceeded: until, when they met a young
    man, he slew him. Moses said: "Hast thou slain an person who had slain
    none? Truly a foul (unheard of) thing hast thou done!"

    This means that the man has slayed(killed a boy)

    The reason:

    80. "As for the youth, his parents were people of
    Faith, and we feared that he would grieve them by obstinate rebellion and
    ingratitude (to Allah and man).
    81. "So we desired that their Lord would give them in
    exchange (a son) better in purity (of conduct) and closer in affection.


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    So yes in Islam is allowed under certain circumstances...
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    Post by Hassan Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:14 am

    Sultan wrote:

    And I have a pretty good feel that Musharraf is behind all of this ....

    Assalam o Alaikum

    first of all, thanks for responding...

    Who is behind the murder is an extremly complex question. She was an out spoken person against the "Islamist militants" but her position with the gov. was also an on-again, off-again situation.

    Mr Musharraf, I believe, has lost a great deal of political power, because Bhutto was generally with Musharraf, but after her, no really strong party stands with him. Therefore, it is quite unlikely that he ordered her murder. But again, anything is possible in politics Exclamation

    Another thing: since her murder, people, it seems, are so engulfed by grief and anger that they have started riots. More than 500 cars and buses are burned, governemnt offices are burned, 50+ people are dead and injured, violence all over the country reigns, communication by railroads is disconnected because 17+ trains are burned!.

    Is all this fine? For all those who are doing this, isn't it unislamic? Killing innocents, burning public and private property, does this comes under "a way to show grief aand anger"?
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    Post by Hassan Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:22 am

    Prince of Egypt wrote:Metal this has to do with Pakistan not Iraq Razz !

    Anyways, Salimualikum Hassan

    The first part I agree with and about your question, well yes under certain conditions you are allowed to kill, an example in the Quran is in Surat AL-Kahf(The Cave) when Sayidna Musa(A.S.)(Mosses) was walking with a person that Allah has given him knowledge, here it is.

    74. Then they proceeded: until, when they met a young
    man, he slew him. Moses said: "Hast thou slain an person who had slain
    none? Truly a foul (unheard of) thing hast thou done!"

    This means that the man has slayed(killed a boy)

    The reason:

    80. "As for the youth, his parents were people of
    Faith, and we feared that he would grieve them by obstinate rebellion and
    ingratitude (to Allah and man).
    81. "So we desired that their Lord would give them in
    exchange (a son) better in purity (of conduct) and closer in affection.


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    So yes in Islam is allowed under certain circumstances...


    Waliakum us Salaam Ahmed.

    This particular killing was done by a Prophet who wa told by Allah subhana wa tallah that the child would be a bad son so he killed him. I am quite sure that no reveleation came down on the murderer (who ever he was, as there is no Prophet after Muhammad salallah uh wassalam) and as Islam does not beief in all those "telling the future" methods, one can hardly claim that she was going to spread mischief if she wasn't killed...
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    Post by Metalgoose30 Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:53 am

    hey prince i think i remember troops being in pakistan awhile ago so maybe they could take out there rage on the americans in iraq Razz
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    Post by Hassan Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:03 pm

    metalgoose30 wrote:hey prince i think i remember troops being in pakistan awhile ago so maybe they could take out there rage on the americans in iraq Razz

    Whose troops are you talking about? The American. In Pakistan?
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    Post by Ahmed Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:08 pm

    Wa SalamAliekum

    Hassan please dont double post thanks Smile

    ANyway, Hassan it wast a prophet that killed it was a good amn that Allah granted knowledge to. Also that is true but also Allah mentioned it in the Quran for a reason, to show you that under certain conditions is allowed. Also its ture doenst believ int he telling the future but Putto did do bad things so we dont need to tell the future.
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    Post by Hassan Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:34 am

    Prince of Egypt wrote:Wa SalamAliekum

    Hassan please dont double post thanks Smile

    ANyway, Hassan it wast a prophet that killed it was a good amn that Allah granted knowledge to. Also that is true but also Allah mentioned it in the Quran for a reason, to show you that under certain conditions is allowed. Also its ture doenst believ int he telling the future but Bhutto did do bad things so we dont need to tell the future.

    Assalam o Alaikum again,

    sorry about the double post.

    According to various resources, that "good man that Allah granted knowledge to" was Hazrat Khidir (A.S.). ? I have been told that he is a messenger of Allah, or a rusul.
    url [http://www.yanabi.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=32&threadid=3927&highlight_key=y&keyword1=khidar]

    But some also reagard him as non human: http://www.tafheem.net/main.html.

    And I still maintain that a Muslim can not kill some one until it is proved that he/she spread mischief by an unbiased court. Allah only knows the truth.
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    Post by Ahmed Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:41 pm

    Slamalikum

    Yes he is that person that you said, but he wasnt a Prophet and defintely not a non-human...


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    Post by Doc Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:05 am

    Sayyidna al-Khidr (alayhis salaam ) is recognized by most as a saint, although there are some who say otherwise and even some extreme Sufis that claim that he isn't human and is still alive today.

    Also you can't create an analogy between al-Khidr (as) and the men who killed Benazir. The former performed an act under the commandment of Allah (swt) so it was lawful and although we don't know what motives the latter had for killing Benazir, I'm certain that its safe to say that Allah (swt) didn't command them to do so.

    Also, for that first question you asked, I'm pretty sure that murder does not take out out of the pale of Islam .... but believeing that its not haraam would .... wa'Allahu Al'am ....
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    Post by Dark Flame99966 Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:52 pm

    Ok, Hassan, it is impossible for him to be a Prophet because the Holy Quran tells us that Saidinah Muhammad(P.B.U.H) was the last Prophet of this world
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    Post by Hassan Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:44 pm

    Dark Flame99966 wrote:Ok, Hassan, it is impossible for him to be a Prophet because the Holy Quran tells us that Saidinah Muhammad(P.B.U.H) was the last Prophet of this world

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