Starring_Emma wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:Well, what more do you women want? You have already got equality in practically everything.

Tell that to Pakistani women.

whats up with em man? my aunt wears a burka and she does everything a man would do...

Petit Pois wrote:
whats up with em man? my aunt wears a burka and she does everything a man would do...

But is she a Pakistani women? It really has nothing to do with wearing a burka or even being Muslim. There are a lot of country's that still treat their women like 2nd class citizens.

How do you know that they are treated like 2nd class citizens though?

all the Pakistani women i know are fine... if they ain't complainin.. i don't see a reason to complain for them, no?
=)

Ahmed IV wrote:How do you know that they are treated like 2nd class citizens though?

I read books.

Those books are written from the Western point of view. Did you actually go to Pakistan yourself?

Petit Pois wrote:all the Pakistani women i know are fine... if they ain't complainin.. i don't see a reason to complain for them, no?
=)

This Pakistani woman was buried up to her waste and then stoned to death because she was caught talking to a man that was not in her family.

As you can see that is an old picture. Are we talking about current times or the past?

And for the record, Islam never said to do that.

Ahmed IV wrote:As you can see that is an old picture. Are we talking about current times or the past?

And for the record, Islam never said to do that.

Nothing has changed over there in 500 years.

Starring_Emma wrote:

Petit Pois wrote:all the Pakistani women i know are fine... if they ain't complainin.. i don't see a reason to complain for them, no?
=)

This Pakistani woman was buried up to her waste and then stoned to death because she was caught talking to a man that was not in her family.

ok thats wrong... but u can't say all Pakistani women are treated like that...
i know white women who get beaten real badly... and i ain't saying white women are treated like 2nd class citizens..

In the Koran it says that it's okay to kill non Muslims even is it's your daughter.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/08/canada-muslim-threatened-to-kill-his-daughter-after-she-turned-her-back-on-islam.html

Petit Pois wrote:
i know white women who get beaten real badly... and i ain't saying white women are treated like 2nd class citizens..

True, but I never said anything about race. American women get beat up by husbands, boyfriends, fathers and strangers... but, they go to jail! America doesn't stone it's women to death because we talk to men who are not in our family.

Ok, let me quote it from the course (Qur'an itself):

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." (2: 256)

Any comments?

Ahmed IV wrote:As you can see that is an old picture. Are we talking about current times or the past?

And for the record, Islam never said to do that.

1986: The Stoning of Soraya M

It was on this date, according to French-Iranian journalist Freidoune Sahebjam’s The Stoning of Soraya M, that 35-year-old mother Soraya Manutchehri was stoned to death in an Iranian village.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1559702338/exectoda-20

Once again, what is the reason?

The only time that Islam said to stone anyone are adulteress (Esp. if one or both are married)...most Muslim countries don't even of that. They just put them in jail or something.

If they were stoned for a different reason, then it isn't because of Islam.

Ahmed IV wrote:Ok, let me quote it from the course (Qur'an itself):

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." (2: 256)

Any comments?

Yeah, my comment would be... what's your point?

That didn't have a whole lot to do with how women are treat like 2nd class citizens in some parts of the world.

That verse was for your article that showed the man wanting to kill his daughter for converting. She is free to do w/e she wants.
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Islam didn't say that women be treated as 2nd class citizens. In fact, it said they are treated as equals. So don't blame it on Islam. Instead, if they are being treated like 2nd class citizens, blame it on the people. Women were treated like 2nd class citizens in the West for centuries...don't forget that.

Ahmed IV wrote:Once again, what is the reason?

The only time that Islam said to stone anyone are adulteress (Esp. if one or both are married)...most Muslim countries don't even of that. They just put them in jail or something.

If they were stoned for a different reason, then it isn't because of Islam.

Once again I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM.

I'm talking about women being treated like 2nd class citizens in places like Pakistan... not about the Koran or burkas or Muslims.

Ask the people that live in Pakistan then lol. I don't know.

Ahmed IV wrote:Ask the people that live in Pakistan then lol. I don't know.

You know if you beat a dog every day of it's life that dog has no idea that there is a life with out any beatings. I'm sure that Pakistani women are very content living the way that they do because they know nothing else.

We don't live in the medieval times. This is a globalized world. Of course they know. How about the Pakistanis that live outside Pakistan? How about TV? How about the news? Newspapers?

Starring_Emma wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:Ask the people that live in Pakistan then lol. I don't know.

You know if you beat a dog every day of it's life that dog has no idea that there is a life with out any beatings. I'm sure that Pakistani women are very content living the way that they do because they know nothing else.

I apply the same subject to popular culture.

Emma, jihadwatch is anti-Arab and anti-Islam. Everything there is bias against us.

Simply put at least.

^^^Short and sweet answer, Flame.

yea i was the one to put the stop to thats what she said jokes in my school.. they always made me mad so everyone that it was said i would yell and complain until i got annoying and make them want to stop lol