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    Post by Ahmed Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:04 pm

    So I should welcome her with open arms? Suspect
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    Post by Steve Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:05 pm

    thats not ignoring. stop panicing ahmed.
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    Post by The Banker Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:06 pm

    Sultan Ahmed IV wrote:So I should welcome her with open arms? Suspect
    nah man.. just don't react Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Ahmed Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:06 pm

    Rolling Eyes , I know but I said that I ignore her. And Marwa said that, that is a reaction.

    Look Steve...she has bothered me for what...6 months!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Post by Steve Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:11 pm

    oh then you need a serious chat with her, from your posts it looked like she just started like a week ago.

    she is either horribe at being subtle, and thinks your shy... or she is just doing what she finds fun
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    Post by Ahmed Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:15 pm

    I'm not chatting with the fool. No...it's not just last week.

    Rofl, shy of what?
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    Post by Steve Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:17 pm

    of girls!

    apparently you never talk to them, she probably finds that cute.

    funny, if you had just become friends with her she would have stopped and you wouldn't be so annoyed Razz
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    Post by Ahmed Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:19 pm

    Rolling Eyes

    It's not called "Shy", it's called "modesty".

    I don't believe in girls being friends of boys. Will never work out.
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    Post by Steve Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:21 pm

    girls and boys being friends wil never work out?

    then how would you describe your relationship with the girls of this forum? O.o
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    Post by Ahmed Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:23 pm

    There is a huge difference my friend between being someone's friend and just being nice to people.

    It's not: If you aren't friends then you are enemies.
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    Post by Steve Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:25 pm

    so you would say you were just being nice to the girls here?

    why complicate things? i think we are all friends.
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    Post by Ahmed Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:31 pm

    Only my future-wife can be my girl friend, my best friend actually. >.<

    Could any Muslims here confirm what I am saying?
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    Post by Steve Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:46 pm

    im not talking about having a girl friend, there is a difference between that and having a friend.

    but being nice to people implies you dont know them much, or your only giving this politeness, friendship is a mutually beneficial relationship where 2 or more people enjoy the company of each other.

    girl/boy friends are more than that still, yes its a mutually beneficial relationship still (you hope so anyway) but theres also high levels of intimacy and love.


    you can have friends without loving them like that, think of your boy friends ahmed.
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    Post by Doc Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:47 pm

    Sultan Ahmed IV wrote:Only my future-wife can be my girl friend, my best friend actually. >.<

    Could any Muslims here confirm what I am saying?

    na'am if you're with a girl then shaytan becomes the third party involved
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    Post by Dark Flame99966 Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:50 pm

    Ahmed, I'm friends with girls and all of us have a mutual friendship and not like-love for each other Razz

    Anyways, get over it. She likes you. Let her down gently.
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    Post by Doc Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:51 pm

    Master Steve wrote:im not talking about having a girl friend, there is a difference between that and having a friend.

    but being nice to people implies you dont know them much, or your only giving this politeness, friendship is a mutually beneficial relationship where 2 or more people enjoy the company of each other.

    girl/boy friends are more than that still, yes its a mutually beneficial relationship still (you hope so anyway) but theres also high levels of intimacy and love.


    you can have friends without loving them like that, think of your boy friends ahmed.


    complete garbage ... such relationships always lead to unlawful interactions ...
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    Post by Ahmed Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:52 pm

    Yes, Also:

    From what I have been reading, from what parents have been telling me, and from what has been confirmed in discussions with many young Muslim brothers and sisters from countries all across the world it has become clear that more and more young Muslims are not following the guidelines for relationships between boys and girls so clearly set out in Islam. What Islam says is right is easy to remember because we are told that before marriage there is to be virtually no contact at all between males and females. In today’s world, while still a minority, an increasing number of young Muslims are having relationships with members of the opposite sex that are clearly outside the limits set by Islam. These relationships beyond the limits of Islam range from seemingly innocent friendships, to boyfriend-girlfriend relationships, all the way to the complete sexual relationship that has been made right by Allah only for those who are married to each other.

    Do you think Allah has said there should be virtually no relationship at all between unmarried males and females because He doesn’t want you to have fun? No, Allah has set the rules for right relationships between males and females because He knows for sure what is best for you as an individual and what is best for His Ummah. Allah wants you to have a good time and enjoy the wonderful pleasures of male-female relationships, including the sexual relationship, but He knows you can only experience the greatest joy, and suffer no harm, if you keep your relationships, particularly the sexual relationship, within the necessary guidelines of the right way of life He has given us.

    http://caliph.wordpress.com/articles/boy-girl/

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    The devil is strong Flame...I just give my advice to end those relations :S

    Also, she doens't like me, she has a "BF". She is annoying me.
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    Post by Dark Flame99966 Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:55 pm

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    Dude, they're just friends. Not girlfriends. Anyways, I always have other people around me when I hang out with them. Never alone with em
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    Post by Ahmed Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:57 pm

    I understand flame. But it won't work.

    Anyways, may Allah be with you Wink
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    Post by Steve Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:57 pm

    Sayf wrote:
    Master Steve wrote:im not talking about having a girl friend, there is a difference between that and having a friend.

    but being nice to people implies you dont know them much, or your only giving this politeness, friendship is a mutually beneficial relationship where 2 or more people enjoy the company of each other.

    girl/boy friends are more than that still, yes its a mutually beneficial relationship still (you hope so anyway) but theres also high levels of intimacy and love.


    you can have friends without loving them like that, think of your boy friends ahmed.


    complete garbage ... such relationships always lead to unlawful interactions ...

    actully there i was talking about having a boyfriend or a girlfriend, its the "in love" relationship and you would hope it leads to marriage

    Sultan Ahmed IV wrote:Yes, Also:

    From what I have been reading, from what parents have been telling me, and from what has been confirmed in discussions with many young Muslim brothers and sisters from countries all across the world it has become clear that more and more young Muslims are not following the guidelines for relationships between boys and girls so clearly set out in Islam. What Islam says is right is easy to remember because we are told that before marriage there is to be virtually no contact at all between males and females. In today’s world, while still a minority, an increasing number of young Muslims are having relationships with members of the opposite sex that are clearly outside the limits set by Islam. These relationships beyond the limits of Islam range from seemingly innocent friendships, to boyfriend-girlfriend relationships, all the way to the complete sexual relationship that has been made right by Allah only for those who are married to each other.

    Do you think Allah has said there should be virtually no relationship at all between unmarried males and females because He doesn’t want you to have fun? No, Allah has set the rules for right relationships between males and females because He knows for sure what is best for you as an individual and what is best for His Ummah. Allah wants you to have a good time and enjoy the wonderful pleasures of male-female relationships, including the sexual relationship, but He knows you can only experience the greatest joy, and suffer no harm, if you keep your relationships, particularly the sexual relationship, within the necessary guidelines of the right way of life He has given us.

    http://caliph.wordpress.com/articles/boy-girl/

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    The devil is strong Flame...I just give my advice to end those relations :S

    Also, she doens't like me, she has a "BF". She is annoying me.

    im just trying to put this into context, has polygamy been normal in most of islam?
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    Post by Ahmed Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:00 pm

    Polygamy is allowed in Islam (Up to 4 wives).

    What's your point?
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    Post by Doc Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:01 pm

    yeah the "in love" part of the relationship also usually leads to divorce as well
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    Post by Steve Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:23 pm

    ok well bear with me here ahmed.

    polygamy favours men, the women get 1 husband and the man has multiple women.

    lets go into a hypothetical, say you could only marry once, and you could only talk to the person you marry, And you couldn't talk to them before the marriage, nor could you divorce.

    you would have to pick your wife on looks alone.

    if you mess up your choice then your now stuck with a woman you dont love for the rest of your life.

    then you get another chance, and another. You wouldn't make the same mistakes each time, by wife #4 you have probably come to an arrangement you are happy with so talking before marraige wasn't that important...

    but without polygamy you need to know you are going to be compatible, so you need to talk.

    can you see how your religious book may have set the rules for starting relationships with polygamy intended. That is how it influences this part about not being friends.


    @sayf
    yeah the "in love" part of the relationship also usually leads to divorce as well

    i was saying the stage before that was harmless and acceptable...
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    Post by Ahmed Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:28 pm

    No. It doesn't favor men. It's for the simple fact that is a women has more than one wife and they won't know to which husband does the child belong to. This is besides the fact that it did help back then marry the women whom didn't have husbands. There were more women than men.

    Also Islam says that a man can ONLY marry more than one as long as he treats both EXACTLY equally.
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    Post by Doc Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:04 pm

    steve that scenario bears no relevance to polygyny in Islam

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