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    Post by Doc Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:35 am

    wth man how did i get picked for this stupidity?


    i dont wanna go Sad
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    Post by Ahmed Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:36 am

    Don't go. It's not by force, even if they make it so.
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    Post by Doc Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:03 am

    i kinda have to ..
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    Post by Ahmed Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:04 am

    Nope. Throw the letter in the garbage. Trust me. Don't answer it.
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    Post by Fangy Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:08 am

    I agree with Ben here ^_^

    Ahmed, that's the dumbest advice someone could ever give.
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    Post by Ahmed Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:09 am

    Actually I swear it works. I know that it works in real life. Trust me (I don't care if you don't tbh).
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    Post by Dark Flame99966 Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:10 am

    You're a citizen. I'll never have to go Very Happy
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    Post by Fangy Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:11 am

    Sayf, don't trust Ahmed.
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    Post by Ahmed Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:12 am

    You aren't a citizen Flame?
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    Post by Dark Flame99966 Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:22 am

    Nope. I got a green card. Still got me about 6 years before I can apply for citizenship which I won't
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    Post by Ahmed Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:23 am

    Ahh...I got citizenship when I was like 6....
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    Post by Doc Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:29 am

    i still dont wanna go
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    Post by Ahmed Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:30 am

    Then the throw the paper in the garbage.
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    Post by Doc Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:31 am

    i got a dentist appointment that day anyway .. plus im pretty sure its not allowed in Islam


    EDIT:

    its def not permitted in Islam:

    Ruling on jury duty in a non-Islamic court in a non-Muslim country

    Can a Muslim living in a non-Muslim country participate their court
    system by agreeing to the call of jury duty from the government? This
    jury duty involves in sitting inside the court and listening to the pro
    and con arguments of a case and deciding along with other 11 people
    whether a person is guilty or not.

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Passing a verdict on a accused person whose case has been brought to
    court and stating whether he is guilty or not guilty is regarded as
    ruling and passing judgement. One of the conditions of ruling and
    passing judgement is that it should be based on the Book of Allaah and
    the Sunnah of His Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him)
    even if it has to do with passing judgement on kuffaar or judging
    between them.

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “So if they come to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), either judge
    between them, or turn away from them. If you turn away from them, they
    cannot hurt you in the least. And if you judge, judge with justice
    between them. Verily, Allaah loves those who act justly”

    [al-Maa’idah 5:42]

    “And so judge (you O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) among them by what
    Allaah has revealed and follow not their vain desires, but beware of
    them lest they turn you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) far away from
    some of that which Allaah has sent down to you. And if they turn away,
    then know that Allaah’s Will is to punish them for some sins of theirs.
    And truly, most of men are Faasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient to
    Allaah)”

    [al-Maa’idah 5:49]

    Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    “And so judge (you O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) among them by what
    Allaah has revealed” -- this verse is the one which is said to abrogate
    the verse “either judge between them, or turn away from them”. But the
    correct view is that it does not abrogate it, and that this indicates
    that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) was given
    the choice between passing judgement between them or not doing so, and
    that was because their aim was not to refer to the truth for judgement.
    This verse indicates that if he did pass judgement, then he was to pass
    judgement between them in accordance with that which Allaah had
    revealed of the Qur'aan and Sunnah, and this is the justice which is
    referred to above, in the verse in which Allaah says: “And if you
    judge, judge with justice between them”. This points to what is meant
    by justice, and that it should be based on the rulings that Allaah has
    prescribed, which include the ultimate justice and fairness. Anything
    contrary to that is injustice and wrongdoing. End quote.

    Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 234

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    No one has the right to judge between any of Allaah's creation, whether
    between Muslims or kuffaar or young men or armies or the poor or anyone
    else, except in accordance with the rulings of Allaah and His
    Messenger. Whoever seeks anything other than that is included in the
    words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning): “Do they then seek the
    judgement of (the days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement
    than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith” [al-Maa’idah 5:50] and
    “But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O
    Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) judge in all disputes between them, and
    find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept
    (them) with full submission” [al-Nisa’ 4:65]. End quote.

    Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn Taymiyah, 35/407, 408.

    The scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas said:

    It is not permissible for a Muslim to work as a judge except in
    sharee’ah courts which apply the laws of Allaah in all their rulings.
    End quote.

    Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez Aal al-Shaykh, Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd.

    Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 12/136, 127

    It is no secret to anyone that the reference point for passing
    judgement on people in the country asked about and -- unfortunately --
    in many Muslim countries is not the Qur'aan and Sunnah. Based on that,
    the starting point for passing judgement on people -- both Muslims and
    kaafirs -- is man-made laws, which are opposed to the laws of the Lord
    of the Worlds. Based on that, it is not permissible to serve on the
    jury or work in any other part of the courts which judge between people
    on the basis of something other than that which Allaah has prescribed.

    And Allaah knows best.



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    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/125623


    take that jury duty u stupid thing
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    Post by Egyptian Gazelle Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:50 am

    Sayf, when my mom got jury duty she jjust wrote them a letter back an excuse of why she can't go. It worked. Also, are you sure its against Islam 0.o
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    Post by Doc Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:24 am

    i tried it and they gave me another Sad
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    Post by Egyptian Gazelle Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:25 am

    LOL! Razz
    Poor sayf haha
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    Post by Steve Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:57 am

    you should do it, its awesome.
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    Post by Ahmed Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:59 am

    Throw the damn thing in the garbage. You won't lose anything. Sheesh -___-

    Im not posting on this topic anymore, I gave my advice too many times.
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    Post by Egyptian Gazelle Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:23 pm

    Ahmed, I don't think thats possible, is it?? You might get introuble for it.
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    Post by Ahmed Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:25 pm

    Let's say I have family members who have done that every time and it worked every time Very Happy

    You won't know untill you try it right? Razz
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    Post by The Banker Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:39 pm

    sayf don't go...
    ur a muslim b4 ur an American citizen...
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    Post by The Banker Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:41 pm

    oh and do ppl get da American citizenship after like 5 yrs or something in America right?
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    Post by Ahmed Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:42 pm

    Yeah, ever since Thomas Jefferson.

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