Ahmed IV wrote:

Fang wrote:Well, just so you know, the Bible is changed a lot, and I'm pretty sure the Qu'ran is too. That might have not been in it way back then.

Off subject: did you know that the Bible NEVER mentioned hell?

Wrong. The Qur'an NEVER changed. The very first Qur'an that was written is now in Turkey...compare it and you'll find the same as today's.

I do agree however, that the Bible is corrupt since it got edited numeorus times.

I try to tell people that the Bible was edited but they don't believe me

i know it was edited, so i can only believe in god using historical events that may lead light to the original meaning of the bible.

preid1220 wrote:i know it was edited, so i can only believe in god using historical events that may lead light to the original meaning of the bible.

Islam is in history. How come you can't believ that? But your parents have influence over you...so its understandable I guess.

Fang, so do you see Islam as the truth yet?

No, and I never will. I don't see how you can believe in something you can't see or give straightforward proof of.

Fang wrote:No, and I never will. I don't see how you can believe in something you can't see or give straightforward proof of.

I am giving you proof. How could a man 1400 have known such thinsg that were discovered by science very recently?

They weren't driscovered recently

They could have been known then

Ahmed would god really want you to force your belief on others? are you no better than a dictator?

Pried, you need to know that no one, nothing, will ever convince me. The so called "proof" is way to vague, and all the events have other explenations.

I'm saying Ahmed should stop pushing Islam on you and all you did was hurt my feeling

Yea, Ahmed, you are being offensive to Preid
You guys can believe what you want, but you will never convince me

Fang wrote:Pried, you need to know that no one, nothing, will ever convince me. The so called "proof" is way to vague, and all the events have other explenations.

did lighting strike you when you were typing that?

fang something tells me you dont like to lose irl and yell alot...

I don't like to lose, but I almost never yell

preid1220 wrote:Ahmed would god really want you to force your belief on others? are you no better than a dictator?

Lol, TBH this was a debate between just me and Fang. It was a deal.
I am not forcing my religion upon anyone lol. Tlaking to you is differnt from holding a gun to your head and telling you to belive such a thing. Besides I would never force my belief to anyone since Islam is agaisnt that

The Qur'an said:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things." (2:256)

Therefore there s no point in me in forcing anyone. I was simply proving Islam is the truth to Fang, and he'll try to deny that.

Pried, if my words are too "strong" for you, simply don't look at this topic
==========================================================

Fang, don't be a fool . How could anyone in the world have figured out that the sun revolved in an orbit 1400 years ago. That's just foolish.

Actually get proof for whta you say instead of saying the excuse of "Everyone knew that 1400 years ago" as they clearly didn't.

Ahmed IV wrote:You don't get it.

You need tools to figure out that Salt water would enevr mix with fresh water.

A normal person can't figure that out without tools.

1. Take a glass

2. Pour normal water

3. Pour salt water

4. Gee, where does the salt go?

Fang, don't be a fool . How could anyone in the world have figured out that the sun revolved in an orbit 1400 years ago. That's just foolish.

Actually get proof for whta you say instead of saying the excuse of "Everyone knew that 1400 years ago" as they clearly didn't.[/quote]

I'm sure someone back then could of had a thought by, oh, I don't know, watching the sun go over the sky and say "Oh, the sun must have an orbit"

But your immediate explenation is that a god told him?

Also, I'm not saying that everyone knew that.

Theory wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:You don't get it.

You need tools to figure out that Salt water would enevr mix with fresh water.

A normal person can't figure that out without tools.

1. Take a glass

2. Pour normal water

3. Pour salt water

4. Gee, where does the salt go?

What does that ahve to do with proving that bodies of salt water would never mix with bodies of fresh water?

---

Fang, then you told me. I really dont think that 1400 years ago, someone flew too space, or sent a machine up to space. Do you? If not do you have any other explanation?

Yeah, being catholic and all, I sorta object to this statement.

Phoenix Rider wrote:Yeah, being catholic and all, I sorta object to this statement.

amen!!! :agree:

Phoenix Rider wrote:Yeah, being catholic and all, I sorta object to this statement.

Then debate it lol. That's the reason why it is in the debate section

Then get me started Ahmed. What makes u think there is less truth in Roman Catholicism than Islam? I usually stay on the defensive in religious debates so I hope u can forgive me.

Well for one...what is Roman Catholicism? In other words what defines it? If you say the Bible...there are millions of different Bibles...so which is the one that you go by?

In Islam however, there is only 1 Qur'an.

the bible is not a book that tells you your faith but teaches you what is right or wrong, it is then up to the person to decide how they interpret it. god gave us free will because we should not be bound by paper and ink

Lol, what does free will have to do with having instructions from God on how to live life?

In Islam we also have free will. However, since we are Muslims, we follow the Qur'an.