you could ask why did God need to for so many thing, jesus is the figure head of Christianity, maybe that is what God wanted.

i dont know much about jews so im going to stop answering for them now...


Muslims dont think they were made by allah? i didn't know that...

this means they deny certain interpretations of it, its to stop people from thinking the wrong thing, not that they knew they were liars.

its either black or white man.. no grey...
why call urself Christian if u ain't gonna follow everything in Christianity??[/quote]

i think its more like your not God's son in the jesus sense, dont go preaching to people. But you are in the way that he nurtures, loves and cares for you.

ddmafff

i think it was partly so he would leave a greater legacy, you can see
today that stars and artists cut down in their prime do better and last
longer than those who go past it.

i ddint know God needed to make a legacy

well thats a mystery. i think God could not come down to earth in the
same way jesus did, he couldn't be here as 1, only the holy ghost and
jesus ever come to earth.

than who was Jacob wrestling with? So you're saying God can't do something? I guess that wouldn't make him god

no they are not. the prophets had God perform the miracles. Jesus did
them himself.

lol this is hilarious .. where is the biblical proof of this? past prophets performed miracles even greater than the ones Jesus (as) performed:

i dont know who that is, i think i heard jesus did travel though. he
went to glastonbury apparently.

but he was just a man,
travelling was hard in those days. maybe this way he convinced a smaller
group of people instead of influencing a larger group of people less.

no its because he was only sent to the Jews, he was the Messiah of the Jews ... he even told his disciples to only preach to the yahood:

These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go
among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. ⁶Go rather to the lost sheep of
Israel. ⁷As you go,
preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' (Matthew 10:5-7)

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."(Matthew 15:24)

i mean jesus was a part of God, that is how he came from him, in the sense your son will have parts of you.

and yes, in some ways we are all god's children Rolling Eyes

So do Adam and Jacob also have "parts of god" in them?

Can I just provide further proof that Islam is "the truth"?? Islam and the Prophet were mentioned in both Christain and Jewish scriptures. They were told by their prophets that Mohammed (sa) is to come and guide them. If you want proof I can get the verses for you.

its ok gaz, i got my new thread now

Sorry one more thing that I want to clarify. You guys (Non-Muslims) seem not to understand the concept of Islam. Christianity and Judaism are Islam (or should I say were Islam). Islam is the believing in one God and obeying what he says. Christians and Jews are "2ahl el ketab" or "People of the book" they are earlier versions of Islam. If you guys follow your book the way you are supposed to, that is Islam (most people don't follow the bible though in today's world). However, over the years you guys changed the words of God and replaced them with your own. Therefore, you are no longer obeying God's words which means you aren't even your own religon! Also, why is it that the most religous Christians and Jews convert to Islam??? Its because they understand!! Those who know most about their book discover that Islam is the truth. Like I said before, Islam and the Prophet were mention numerous times in the previous scriptures such as the Bible, only people who follow their book would know that (which are religous people) and thats why most of them convert.
If people even bothered to learn their own religon first, they won't be so ignorant towards Islam.

Fahemt aya 7aga 2oltaha wela lazem a23eed??

i am curious now, where are the references to mohammed in the bible?

Sir Steve wrote:i am curious now, where are the references to mohammed in the bible?

hahaha I thought you'd ask . well here you go,there is a whole list of them on this website including links for further information. Just scroll down
http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

Here is another website
http://www.islam101.com/religions/christianity/mBible.htm

Sir Steve wrote:i am curious now, where are the references to mohammed in the bible?

hahaha I thought you'd ask . well here you go,there is a whole list of them on this website including links for further information. Just scroll down
http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

Here is another website
http://www.islam101.com/religions/christianity/mBible.htm

ok, i have spent about 30 mins getting my head around those.

i can tell you that it isn't necessarily talking about Mohammed...

sorry gaz, it doesn't make me think mohammed was speaking the truth.

it's late and i cant see straight right now so ill just post a simple question, What gives Islam the right to say there book as the words of god? I could be a fib and the only thing we have to relie on is faith in our own respected religion.

preid1220 wrote:it's late and i cant see straight right now so ill just post a simple question, What gives Islam the right to say there book as the words of god? I could be a fib and the only thing we have to relie on is faith in our own respected religion.

Because things are said in the Quran that scientists are just finding out now, there is no way a human could have written that.

In some cases the scientists are bias and they are trying to prove Islam as the top religion. like an article i once read that said praying to Mecca was good for your health.

Egyptian Gazelle wrote:

preid1220 wrote:it's late and i cant see straight right now so ill just post a simple question, What gives Islam the right to say there book as the words of god? I could be a fib and the only thing we have to relie on is faith in our own respected religion.

Because things are said in the Quran that scientists are just finding out now, there is no way a human could have written that.

give a monkey a typewriter and an unlimited amount of paper/ink and given that the monkey is immortal then eventually the monkey would wright the complete works of Shakespeare, simply by coincidence. Not to mention these so called 'scientist' are using loosely biased facts to make shabby connections at best.

preid1220 wrote:it's late and i cant see straight right now so ill just post a simple question, What gives Islam the right to say there book as the words of god? I could be a fib and the only thing we have to relie on is faith in our own respected religion.

millions have tried and failed to write something even remotely similar to the Quran...

unfortunately, it was too long ago to know how it came about with certainty.

you know the mayans had a calander to predict solar activity almost perfectly thousands of years into the future, people can do some pretty special things especially if they work at it for years.

Sir Steve wrote:unfortunately, it was too long ago to know how it came about with certainty.

you know the mayans had a calander to predict solar activity almost perfectly thousands of years into the future, people can do some pretty special things especially if they work at it for years.

the Quran ain't "almost" perfect.. it is perfect.. plain and simple

it is if that's what you want it to be

okie dokie man

mountains rooting the world together? How the hell is that perfect? The Mayans created there calendar and mathematical systems with science as well as trial and error, the fact that they used it along with there religion just reflects there culture so what if Islam is the same? Islam could have been created by a rouge scientist!

it makes sense to me Preid...
i'll follow my religion and u stick with ur atheism

Petit Pois wrote:it makes sense to me Preid...
i'll follow my religion and u stick with ur atheism

i'm actually catholic i just like to debate and use every advantage =P

Correction: "i'm actually catholic i just like to debate and use every foolishness =P"

nah he's just an arrogant clown who posts nonsense

Sir Steve wrote:In some cases the scientists are bias and they are trying to prove Islam as the top religion. like an article i once read that said praying to Mecca was good for your health.

Are you freakin kidding me!??!? These scientists that discovered these things were the farthest from bias. None of them were Muslims or anything even close to that. Yet many of them became Muslim after these discoveries. Fine i'll give ya another example. Recent;y scientists found a planet that made a knocking noise. It turns out that in the Quran this planet was already mentioned.
Yet another example, Allah (sw) said the Earth was shaped like an egg (round) yet people neglected that and discovered it long after.
Another example, scientists are finding out now that foods like figs, olives, honey and others mentioned in the Quran are among the best for your health.


Steve, the things in this book are things that cannot be written by a human thousands of years ago!!!!!

Steve why would the non-Muslim scientists be the ones to want to propagate Islam by making it top?

6.As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

-Qur'an (Al Baqara)

May Allah guide you Steve