Sayf wrote:steve is just a typical western clown who hates islam for the sake of hating it ...

sayf don't be ignorant, im not a bigot. i don't hate Islam but i do hate talking to you guys about it because it is always pointless.

how is it pointless Steve?? whats ur point in debatin Islam with us??

its normally to defuse some statement about how great it is, like "islam is truth".

and why is it not the truth?

that would be debating about islam again... i gave that up.

fine Steve..

it is not the truth for it lacks support from everyone and thing. Then again nothing is set in stone

what the hell are you talking about preid?

so you just use empty rhetoric when you have no real argument?

Sayf wrote:what the hell are you talking about preid?

so you just use empty rhetoric when you have no real argument?

my argument is that because everyone does not follow islam it cannot be the 'truth'

That's fallable logical Pried.

no it makes sense, if something was an absolute truth then everyone would accept it. Gravity for example. Religion wouldn't be opinion, belief or fact, it would be a law.

but from the lack of acceptance you can tell that Islam is not ultimate answer.

(dont reply with the numbers of people converting to or folowing islam today. Why not try something with the number of people who do not follow Islam.)

preid1220 wrote:

Sayf wrote:what the hell are you talking about
preid?

so you just use empty rhetoric when you have no real
argument?

my argument is that because everyone does not
follow islam it cannot be the 'truth'

not everyone realizes it is the truth ... to this day there are some
christians who don't "follow" that the earth is older than 6000 years
... does it mean it isn't? this is just fallacious reasoning

Sir Steve wrote:no it makes sense, if something was an absolute truth then everyone would accept it. Gravity for example. Religion wouldn't be opinion, belief or fact, it would be a law.

but from the lack of acceptance you can tell that Islam is not ultimate answer.

(dont reply with the numbers of people converting to or folowing islam today. Why not try something with the number of people who do not follow Islam.)

see above

yes, some people are idiots. Those people can be proven wrong easily now.

but there would definitely be more of a consesus about it being truth if it actully was.

we would certainly have more than just blunt, unyielding statements saying that it is truth.

again this is your own line of thought, mere opinion and conjecture .. you're not arguing anything from Islam itself ... i could sit here all day and get philosophical with you but that isn't going to prove or disprove anything ..


i suggest you actually make a sincere attempt to learn about Islam before offering your opinion

well thats exactly what your trying to do. your just telling us that its truth without any evidence to back yourself up. what else is there to argue about that?

islam can never be truth. the words are not compatable.

Why aren't they compatible?

because a truth is a fact and islam cannot be fact because it relies on faith. Things about hell, heaven and God are not proven it is just trust that the information is true.

Faith could be the truth.

Why do you believe that the yellow thing in the sky is a gaseous ball of fire?

No, faith is dependant on belief. Truth is dependant on facts. They are concepts you are mixing up.

I trust the science behind determining what the sun is. I have faith in it being gas and fire.

you're just going in circles again ... I can't prove anything to you, only Allah can open your heart to Islam ... but you are far to convinced in your false, erroneous beliefs to even make an attempt to learn about the truth and hence have lost the ability to even recognize it ...


Wallah, this is a living, breathing example of what was revealed 1400 years ago ...


خَتَمَ اللّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عظِيمٌ

As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

خَتَمَ اللّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عظِيمٌ

Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

(Al-Baqarah : 6-7, 2:6-7 )

Ahmed just leave it


صُمٌّ بُكْمٌ عُمْيٌ فَهُمْ لاَ يَرْجِعُونَ

8. They intend to put out the Light of Allah (i.e. the religion of Islam, this Qur'an, and Prophet Muhammad ) with their mouths. But Allah will complete His Light even though the disbelievers hate (it).

My father put this in a very clear way to me, This world is set up with fundamental rules. Some things are absolute, that's why antimatter and matter can not co exist, that is why gravity is not more powerful than small magnets, that is why there can not be a greater power, because they to would be subject to these rules that mandate what is reality.

and ur point?

i wasn't going in circles sayf, just explaining how something that requires so much faith cannot be truth.

and its nice to know that they recognise some people will not believe in islam. But don't pity me. My lack of faith in Islam is not an inhibition.