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Islam is the Truth. Do you object?
Ahmed- NH Admin
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Re: Islam is the Truth. Do you object?
No. If that was valid, scholars would have already altered it by now. BTW it's not out interpretation. It is the interpretation of scholars.
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Islam is def. the truth, it was the last religon sent by God...therefore it is then one we should follow.
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i don't think any main stream religion is the truth any more, man corrupts.
All religious texts have passed through a man's hand before it reached you, but alot of the religious people here refuse to have their own opinions on religion, its all passed down through the family and through the religious buildings.
All religious texts have passed through a man's hand before it reached you, but alot of the religious people here refuse to have their own opinions on religion, its all passed down through the family and through the religious buildings.
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Re: Islam is the Truth. Do you object?
Steve wrote:i don't think any main stream religion is the truth any more, man corrupts.
All religious texts have passed through a man's hand before it reached you, but alot of the religious people here refuse to have their own opinions on religion, its all passed down through the family and through the religious buildings.
Yes, but the Quran hasn't been changed in any way...only the bible and the torah
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doesn't matter, it went through the hands of multiple people before it was written.
I believe that if i ask God how i should worship him then he will guide me.
I believe that if i ask God how i should worship him then he will guide me.
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it went through the hands of people who were careful not to change the words of God. Other religons changed the text in a way to best suit their needs.
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Well they said they didn't change it but i have a hard time trusting people who lived so long ago.
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I trust them...
Also, in our religon we have to believe in the unseen which kind of goes a long with this. So even though we didn't see them directly handling the Quran we have to trust them.
Also, in our religon we have to believe in the unseen which kind of goes a long with this. So even though we didn't see them directly handling the Quran we have to trust them.
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i think the Qu'ran gets things right, but it also gets things wrong. I have to take religion sceptically.
If i thought it was 100% right i wouldn't really feel like living it.
If i thought it was 100% right i wouldn't really feel like living it.
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What do you think is wrong about it???? Which verses/parts or w/e.
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Re: Islam is the Truth. Do you object?
well lets take one from earlier here
"And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you..."
From a literal and scientific point of view that says mountains don't move in earth quakes, but they do.
"And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you..."
From a literal and scientific point of view that says mountains don't move in earth quakes, but they do.
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And it says that mountains hold the earth together. NOT TRUE.
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That is not what God says, the words are all mixed up. God states
"And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm" (Surat el Ghashiya)
He does not say they will not shake.
...and take a look at this:
"When the earth is shaken to her (utmost) convulsion,
And the earth throws up her burdens (from within),
And man cries (distressed): 'What is the matter with her?" (Surat el Zalzala)
I think this is a clear enough statement to say that God does not say mountains will not shake
"And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm" (Surat el Ghashiya)
He does not say they will not shake.
...and take a look at this:
"When the earth is shaken to her (utmost) convulsion,
And the earth throws up her burdens (from within),
And man cries (distressed): 'What is the matter with her?" (Surat el Zalzala)
I think this is a clear enough statement to say that God does not say mountains will not shake
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ahmed said he did, maybe your looking in the wrong place.
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I am sure he meant that God just stated that mountains are very firm.
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Um...no I didn't steve.
Quote me if I did.
Quote me if I did.
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Ahmed IV wrote:Fang wrote:I didn't read the last 2 pages...
Anyway, you still haven't given 'proof' that can't be explained in another way
Yes I did! Twice.
Heres a third.
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A book entitled Earth is a basic reference textbook in many universities around the world. One of its two authors is Professor Emeritus Frank Press. He was the Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter, and for 12 years was the President of the National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC. His book says that mountains have underlying roots.1 These roots are deeply embedded in the ground, thus, mountains have a shape like a peg
This is how the Quran has described mountains. God has said in the Quran:
(Quran, 78:6-7)Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?
Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground. So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word ‘peg,’ since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter half of the nineteenth century.
Mountains also play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth. They hinder the shaking of the earth. God has said in the Quran:
(Quran, 16:15)And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you...
Likewise, the modern theory of plate tectonics holds that mountains work as stabilizers for the earth. This knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has just begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960’s.
Could anyone during the time of the Prophet Muhammad have known of the true shape of mountains? Could anyone imagine that the solid massive mountain which he sees before him actually extends deep into the earth and has a root, as scientists assert? A large number of books of geology, when discussing mountains, only describe that part which is above the surface of the earth. This is because these books were not written by specialists in geology. However, modern geology has confirmed the truth of the Quranic verses.
Ahh, so I was wrong. Phoneix returned
The reason why "our" scholars tranlsated correctly unlike "yours" is that we don't have contradictions. The Bible, hovwever, does...many times.
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Which one is the correct one?
P.S.: Welcome back Icehawk!
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That's what it should really say:
And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm,
lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves;
And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm,
lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves;
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Yes. Enough said.
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You need to debate it Denz. That's the point -_-
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Serious?? No hey hows it going? Whatever. And no I don't have to debate it, it's an opinion question. My opinion doesn't need reasons, it's my opinion.
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alright u noobs lets go
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Steve, Sayf and I are ready to debate you and whoever else objects
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lol ive debated christian missionaries .. steve is just a kid compared to me lol