I agree with Steve. I also think that oil drew the Bush administration to Iraq. I think he followed Cheney's and Powell's advice (and maybe Rice's too!).

can we realy blame bush? if anything we shuld blame ourselfs for picking him (only targeted at american's who can vote)

that would be no-one on this forum then and yes, i think we have to blame someone, he didnt say if he was president he was going to start a war in iraq and cost thousands upon thousands of people their lives. but the blame rests with more people than just bush

The blame is on Bush because he told lies to fight with Iraq. But he is not the only one who supported and backed him; the CIA, Executive, and Legaslative, all play their part in this.

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that would be no-one on this forum then and yes, i think we have to blame someone, he didnt say if he was president he was going to start a war in iraq and cost thousands upon thousands of people their lives. but the blame rests with more people than just bush

U americans re-elected him when war was already going on :rich:

whoa whoa whoa... Who are you calling an American

also with an on-going war, they were more likely to go with bush again, he was coping with the war ok, other people might not

no he's right americans are stupid

Actually, Bush rigged the elections. I'm serious.
But you can't say Americans are stupid. If you did say that then you wouldn't be pointing it towards anyone because in theory, all Americans are immigrants

sorry flame it doesn't work like that, and you seem to be ignoring the native Americans there, i know bush mark 1 rigged the elections, and bush #2 probably did too, honestly, i dont think it makes too much difference when you look into thier club

Native Americans are thought to have come from Russia

and we all are thought to come from africa. big deal. it's where you live now that divides you.

Not exactly. If you want to call a race stupid, you must think of where they came from

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sorry flame it doesn't work like that, and you seem to be ignoring the native Americans there, i know bush mark 1 rigged the elections, and bush #2 probably did too, honestly, i dont think it makes too much difference when you look into thier club

Actually all americnas are immigrants. America is the land of immigrants.

The native Americans were people that crossed form Russia(or sailed form Africa as some say)

ok we ALL came from africa. religon put aside we are all immigrants exseapt for the africans. thats where we evolved there then moved out as homosapian.

I once read from a National Geographic magazine that Africa is the human footprint.

Yeah , as said, human life started from Africa. Coming back to the original debate (in the beginning of this page) I do not think that calling everyone who voted in 2004 elections stupid is fair. There are people who voted against him, as well. And you have to admit that Americans could be very cunning when it comes to prsonal interests (like taking over Hawaii. buying Alaska, the Lousiana Purchase, Big Stick Policy, etc).

the world should already have ended. justin beiber was born and he sang.

lol no offense to the jb lovers out there