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PostSubject: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 02, 2009 11:47 pm

Came up at school with a couple of friends of mine.

I will enter the debate off of what you guys have posted.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 02, 2009 11:51 pm

it is a religion that has a vast impact on cultures such as how Christianity caused the Spanish conquistadors to convert natives to Christians
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 02, 2009 11:52 pm

Calling Jews a race is racism. It's a religion. Not a race. That's like saying "Atheists are a race!"
So, of course Judaism is a religion, not a race.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 02, 2009 11:53 pm

it would not be racism if it isint a race
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 02, 2009 11:54 pm

If you say they are a race, it's racism.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 02, 2009 11:56 pm

well if it isint a race then it would just be discrimination.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 02, 2009 11:58 pm

That person is being racist in other peoples' view with his current belief. Confusing, isn't it?
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 02, 2009 11:59 pm

Its not racism if you say Jews are a race because my history teacher said that. However I do agree that it is a religion...Russian, middle eastern, Spanish Jews...
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 12:02 am

My language arts teacher said that math sucks. Does that mean it's true. (just countering your point about your history teacher)
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 12:03 am

Thta's an opinion. My history teacher told us a fact.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 12:03 am

my Italian teacher is afraid of me, does that make you afraid of me =P
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 12:04 am

+1

I lol'ed.
On topic: fine, say what you want <_<
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 12:06 am

preid1220 wrote:
my Italian teacher is afraid of me, does that make you afraid of me =P

Yes Hiding
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Fang, debate it, don't just say "fine" Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 12:20 am

Fang wrote:
Calling Jews a race is racism. It's a religion. Not a race. That's like saying "Atheists are a race!"
So, of course Judaism is a religion, not a race.

So you're saying that if I call a african american an african american I am being racist?
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 2:09 am

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Calling Jews a race is racism. It's a religion. Not a race. That's like saying "Atheists are a race!"
So, of course Judaism is a religion, not a race.

So you're saying that if I call a african american an african american I am being racist?

yes because they would be only American
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 12:31 pm

That's pretty stupid Pried. People somenetimes need to distinguish groups of people. There is no point in hiding the fact that there are groups of people.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 3:35 pm

but an African American would literally mean a citizen of an African country and an American country, in other words an immigrant so the only way to correctly identify there group would be American. (and note i am pure white but i can understand that discrimination is wrong but a part of life
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 4:22 pm

Discrimination doesn't need to be a part of life slanty
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 4:53 pm

Saying that a black person is black isn't racist, it isn't discrimination. It's just stating a fact that they're black. Calling a white person white isn't racist either.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 10:42 pm

I don't use the words 'black' or 'white' to distinguish races.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 11:06 pm

Judaism is a "religion" that has race as its cornerstone ... there are sects of Judaism (reformed I think?) that don't even require you to practice and view Judaism more as a race/ethnicity than an actual religion ...
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 07, 2009 4:44 pm

The term "Jew" is derived from the ancient name of the kingdom south of Israel called Judah for all the those who follow the Mosaic Law became synonymous with that region. It's basically a mixture of Talmudic teachings and Mosaic laws that produce an average Jew's belief whether the Israelite race is superior or eaqual to all of humanity (only then would race matter). It's only that the first believers in the Torah were Israelites .
All we can conclude that it's a religion.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 08, 2009 2:01 am

Firstly, Jews are a religious group...it may comromise of various races, as the Russians, etc.
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So you're saying that if I call a african american an african american I am being racist?
No, calling an African American an African American would not be racist, unless you mean it that way. It would just be a statement of fact.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 08, 2009 5:26 pm

Hassan it would be raciest if they were not African American but true American.
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PostSubject: Re: Jewish, Religion or a Race?   Jewish, Religion or a Race? I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 08, 2009 7:24 pm

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Hassan it would be raciest if they were not African American but true American.

No one is a true American. If anyone told you they were tell them while relaxing that they are liars.
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