but majors issues have divided the nation, once even breaking it for four years...

and this depression is better than the one before...

But the Civil War wasn't caused by the same factors that Ahmed was trying to put forward Hassan. I wanted a scenario and he claimed economic failure. But that wasn't the factor that brought civil war to the U.S.

The current economic crisis is not enough to tear that country. Obama already has an economic plan ready within 2 months of his presidency. That is more than wat I can say for Bush's economic programs. Economists have already stated that if run correctly, the economy can see full repair and recovery by next year. There is a new leadership in Washington with a 68% approval rate. It is silly to think a succession can occur.

I hope his plan works....it has to.

I said, splitting up...not anarchy Phoneix

Secondly, what I know is that whenevr anything major liek this recission happens...something major is doomed to happen, weather that mean countries unite, split, countrie slose superpower statues, or gain.

Are you suggesting the Confederate States form a rebellion, again?

The KKK has no ability to asassinate Obama...

Well yes I am

Ahmed IV wrote:

I said, splitting up...not anarchy Phoneix

Secondly, what I know is that whenevr anything major liek this recission happens...something major is doomed to happen, weather that mean countries unite, split, countrie slose superpower statues, or gain.

A thousand apologies for my absence.

And what pray tell was the disaster that took place during the great Depression? How was the unity of the nation put in grave danger?

And plz, the kkk? Those guys have less than 10,000 core members, many of whom are montored by the FBI. A single mistake ans snipers can pick them out before they can even chant a war cry. Those guys won't be able to muster a force strong enough to succeed from the Union buddy.

And neither does the confederate states. A recent polling taken proves that nealy all the citizens of the "southern states" support keeping with the Union. The greatest call to succeed is Texas, with only about 20% of the populace calling for succesion.. That's not enough buddy. Any formal succesion can only take place with a referendum or election of some sort in which the people vote on whether they can succeed from the Union or not. Even if they can muster more than 50% I expect any form of independance movement to be crushed within days. The moment Texas calls for independants, Army regiments will reach Dallas within the wekk. They have no chance. No succesion force can get enough arms to fight of the American Armed forces.

Phoenix Rider wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:

I said, splitting up...not anarchy Phoneix

Secondly, what I know is that whenevr anything major liek this recission happens...something major is doomed to happen, weather that mean countries unite, split, countrie slose superpower statues, or gain.

A thousand apologies for my absence.

And what pray tell was the disaster that took place during the great Depression? How was the unity of the nation put in grave danger?

And plz, the kkk? Those guys have less than 10,000 core members, many of whom are montored by the FBI. A single mistake ans snipers can pick them out before they can even chant a war cry. Those guys won't be able to muster a force strong enough to succeed from the Union buddy.

And neither does the confederate states. A recent polling taken proves that nealy all the citizens of the "southern states" support keeping with the Union. The greatest call to succeed is Texas, with only about 20% of the populace calling for succesion.. That's not enough buddy. Any formal succesion can only take place with a referendum or election of some sort in which the people vote on whether they can succeed from the Union or not. Even if they can muster more than 50% I expect any form of independance movement to be crushed within days. The moment Texas calls for independants, Army regiments will reach Dallas within the wekk. They have no chance. No succesion force can get enough arms to fight of the American Armed forces.

You see too much in the American armed forces...that can't win in Afghanistan, Iraq and lost Veitnamn.

Veitnam was pointless...

Afghanistan not being won is Bush's fault.

Iraq should have never happened.

Now we have a responsible leader who knows what to do

I think he came a bit late Fang.

Ahmed IV wrote:

Phoenix Rider wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:

I said, splitting up...not anarchy Phoneix

Secondly, what I know is that whenevr anything major liek this recission happens...something major is doomed to happen, weather that mean countries unite, split, countrie slose superpower statues, or gain.

A thousand apologies for my absence.

And what pray tell was the disaster that took place during the great Depression? How was the unity of the nation put in grave danger?

And plz, the kkk? Those guys have less than 10,000 core members, many of whom are montored by the FBI. A single mistake ans snipers can pick them out before they can even chant a war cry. Those guys won't be able to muster a force strong enough to succeed from the Union buddy.

And neither does the confederate states. A recent polling taken proves that nealy all the citizens of the "southern states" support keeping with the Union. The greatest call to succeed is Texas, with only about 20% of the populace calling for succesion.. That's not enough buddy. Any formal succesion can only take place with a referendum or election of some sort in which the people vote on whether they can succeed from the Union or not. Even if they can muster more than 50% I expect any form of independance movement to be crushed within days. The moment Texas calls for independants, Army regiments will reach Dallas within the wekk. They have no chance. No succesion force can get enough arms to fight of the American Armed forces.

You see too much in the American armed forces...that can't win in Afghanistan, Iraq and lost Veitnamn.

I consider their mission objective to take out Saddam Hussein and install a democratic government in Iraw as a success really. I don't support their initial invasion but looking at what their objectives were, I would have to say they won. (At least I think that was teir original objective. bush may have done it for the oil but that's another story. ) The security situation in Iraq is steadily improving, They will be out by 2011 and I think with a little help, the Iraqi government is more than capable in securing the nation. Having the world's 2nd largest oil supply helps when ur trying to rebuild a state.

Afghanistan needs work. Bush really neglected that place and more troops need to be pushed in to fight back against the insrugents.

But this is irrelevant. What Im trying to say is that they are the world's most armed state. Surely a succesion force has no chance of forming with a army like that? Any attempt will be crushed witin days. There is little citizen backing and little political momentum as I explained earlier.

Phoenix Rider wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:

Phoenix Rider wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:

I said, splitting up...not anarchy Phoneix

Secondly, what I know is that whenevr anything major liek this recission happens...something major is doomed to happen, weather that mean countries unite, split, countrie slose superpower statues, or gain.

A thousand apologies for my absence.

And what pray tell was the disaster that took place during the great Depression? How was the unity of the nation put in grave danger?

And plz, the kkk? Those guys have less than 10,000 core members, many of whom are montored by the FBI. A single mistake ans snipers can pick them out before they can even chant a war cry. Those guys won't be able to muster a force strong enough to succeed from the Union buddy.

And neither does the confederate states. A recent polling taken proves that nealy all the citizens of the "southern states" support keeping with the Union. The greatest call to succeed is Texas, with only about 20% of the populace calling for succesion.. That's not enough buddy. Any formal succesion can only take place with a referendum or election of some sort in which the people vote on whether they can succeed from the Union or not. Even if they can muster more than 50% I expect any form of independance movement to be crushed within days. The moment Texas calls for independants, Army regiments will reach Dallas within the wekk. They have no chance. No succesion force can get enough arms to fight of the American Armed forces.

You see too much in the American armed forces...that can't win in Afghanistan, Iraq and lost Veitnamn.

I consider their mission objective to take out Saddam Hussein and install a democratic government in Iraw as a success really. I don't support their initial invasion but looking at what their objectives were, I would have to say they won. (At least I think that was teir original objective. bush may have done it for the oil but that's another story. ) The security situation in Iraq is steadily improving, They will be out by 2011 and I think with a little help, the Iraqi government is more than capable in securing the nation. Having the world's 2nd largest oil supply helps when ur trying to rebuild a state.

Afghanistan needs work. Bush really neglected that place and more troops need to be pushed in to fight back against the insrugents.

But this is irrelevant. What Im trying to say is that they are the world's most armed state. Surely a succesion force has no chance of forming with a army like that? Any attempt will be crushed witin days. There is little citizen backing and little political momentum as I explained earlier.

You are correct . Let's take te president out and let bloodbath occur everyday and make Iraq a piece of hell...if you look at it that way, then yes mission accomplished. There is no one day that passes in Iraq without people being killed...

It is relevent buddy. It shows that the world's strongest army couldn't beat farmers with pitchforks in veitnamn.

If this is an argument about power, Ahmed, you should know that the U.S. and Russia together have enough bombs to completely destroy the Earth like 10 times. That is completely remove it from the solar system. So don't question our power.

They would also destroy themselves by doing that...so there is no point to such power.

Yes, but you are saying we don't have power. There is no question that we have power.

Ahmed IV wrote:

You are correct . Let's take te president out and let bloodbath occur everyday and make Iraq a piece of hell...if you look at it that way, then yes mission accomplished. There is no one day that passes in Iraq without people being killed...

It is relevent buddy. It shows that the world's strongest army couldn't beat farmers with pitchforks in Vietnam.

To say that the North Vietnamese army was merely nothing more than "farmers with pitchforks" displays the level of ignorance u have. And to say that it was those same "farmers with pitchforks" that beat the Americans only instills that. The defeat in Vietnam was the result of the U.S's lack of experience in jungle warfare, the lack of will power amongst the South Vietnamese to defend their country, the economic burden on the U.S economy, the lack of support at home...etc...etc. God's sake Ahmed. Plz don't tell me u think the U.S lost against farmers and that they lost simply because they lacked military power. U make me laugh buddy.

And yes, I agree. Iraq was a mistake. But it's good to see they are trying to correct it now. At least now with a democratic government installed and stability and repair steadily increasing, the deaths of the many will not go in vain.

But anyway, all this is irrelevant. U still haven't answered my points. How can an armed rebellion take place within the U.S with little civilian backing and limited arms capability. How could a state sieze enough weaponry in time to take down the government in Washington? Why would they throw away the democracy they worked so hard for just for the sake our war? Pretty stupid right?

To make the US safer, Obama might ban assault weapons.

Phoenix Rider wrote:

Ahmed IV wrote:

You are correct . Let's take te president out and let bloodbath occur everyday and make Iraq a piece of hell...if you look at it that way, then yes mission accomplished. There is no one day that passes in Iraq without people being killed...

It is relevent buddy. It shows that the world's strongest army couldn't beat farmers with pitchforks in Vietnam.

To say that the North Vietnamese army was merely nothing more than "farmers with pitchforks" displays the level of ignorance u have. And to say that it was those same "farmers with pitchforks" that beat the Americans only instills that. The defeat in Vietnam was the result of the U.S's lack of experience in jungle warfare, the lack of will power amongst the South Vietnamese to defend their country, the economic burden on the U.S economy, the lack of support at home...etc...etc. God's sake Ahmed. Plz don't tell me u think the U.S lost against farmers and that they lost simply because they lacked military power. U make me laugh buddy.

And yes, I agree. Iraq was a mistake. But it's good to see they are trying to correct it now. At least now with a democratic government installed and stability and repair steadily increasing, the deaths of the many will not go in vain.

But anyway, all this is irrelevant. U still haven't answered my points. How can an armed rebellion take place within the U.S with little civilian backing and limited arms capability. How could a state sieze enough weaponry in time to take down the government in Washington? Why would they throw away the democracy they worked so hard for just for the sake our war? Pretty stupid right?

Actually you are the fool here. I just took it again in class yesterday. And I am in Advanced Placement class. My teacher is a communist, so he wouldn't undermine the Communist Vietnamese.

He said they fought with "shovels and guns". They were not nearly as advanced as the US army. They were low-tech in other words.

The reason why they won though is due to guerrilla warfare and determination.

You know why they had no support at home? Same reason why the Iraq war isn't popular. Because there was no point to it.

And no North Vietnam isn't a jungle. You make me laugh too.

I wonder how many more millions need to die till the US "corrects" what it did in Iraq?

Actually I was answering your posts. You said that no militia or whatever could beat the strongest army (US) in the world. I said you are wrong. They could be defeated.

No its not pretty stupid. The US does not equal democracy. That state that would break up could even be more democratic.

Says u buddy. U have yet to show me a scenario in which an armed militia can take out the powers in Washington. And yes, I think the U.s is a democracy TBH. It fits the characteristics of one with them holding a democratic election just a few months ago. There is an elected congress, working legislative body, a legitimate executive branch. Why doesn't it constitute as democratic? Is it a fact or ur own opinion?

As I said...the great US can't defeat the militias in Afghanistan and Iraq. And lost in Vietnam.

Please read what I wrote:


"No its not pretty stupid. The US does not equal democracy. That state that would break up could even be more democratic."

...I see where you could have been confused so Ill clear it up. I was saying that the US is not the only nation that can be Democratic...many countries are democratic.

yes, I don't disagree that out of a succession, democratic states are capable of being formed. What I was pointing out is how could an armed militia strong enough to defeat Washington when there is little public backing for one.

You don't know if there's public backing or not.

Also funny that you say so...the US succeeded from the Great Britain if you didn't know...yet you say it's democratic.